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« on: March 11, 2007, 08:28:43 PM »
No Way To End A War

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, February 23, 2007


The United States has fought many wars since 1941 but has never again declared one. No one abroad declares war anymore either, perhaps because it has the anachronistic feel of an aristocratic challenge. Whatever the reason, today Congress doesn't declare war; it "authorizes" the "use of force."

In October 2002, both houses of Congress did exactly that with open eyes and large majorities. Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a Democratic member of the Senate intelligence committee who had access to all the relevant information at the time, said, "I have come to the inescapable conclusion that the threat posed to America by Saddam's weapons of mass destruction is so serious that despite the risks -- and we should not minimize the risks -- we must authorize the president to take the necessary steps to deal with that threat."
 
Now, more than four years later, the Democrats want out of the resulting war. Most, such as Rep. John Murtha, want to do so for a simple reason: They think the war is lost. If you believe that, then getting out is the most reasonable and honorable and patriotic policy.

Congress has the power to do that by cutting off the funds. But Democrats will not, because it is politically dangerous. Instead, they are seeking other ways, clever ways. The House is pursuing a method, developed by Murtha and deemed "ingenious" by antiwar activist Tom Andrews of Win Without War, to impose a conditional cutoff of funds, ostensibly in the name of protecting the troops. Unless the troops are given the precise equipment, training and amount of rest Murtha stipulates -- no funds.

Unfortunately for the Democrats, Murtha is not disingenuous enough to have concealed the real motive for these ostensibly pro-readiness, pro-troops conditions. He has chosen conditions he knows are impossible to meet -- "We have analyzed this, and we have come to the conclusion that it can't be done," he told MoveCongress.org -- in order to make the continued prosecution of the war difficult, if not impossible, for the commanders in the field.

But think of what that entails. It leaves the existing 130,000 troops out there without the reinforcements and tactical flexibility that the commander, Gen. David H. Petraeus, says he needs to win.

Of course, the Democrats believe the war cannot be won. But if that's the case, they should order a withdrawal by cutting off funds.  They shouldn't micromanage the war in a way that will make winning impossible. That not only endangers the troops remaining in the field, it also makes the Democrats' "the war is lost" mantra a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Murtha's ruse is so transparent that even Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, who opposes the war, will not countenance it: "I think that sends the wrong message to our troops."

Levin has a different idea -- change the original October 2002 authorization. "We . . . will be looking at modification of that authorization in order to limit the mission of American troops to a support mission instead of a combat mission," says Levin. "That is very different from cutting funds."

While this idea is not as perverse as Murtha's, it is totally illogical. There is something exceedingly strange about authorizing the use of force -- except for combat. That is an oxymoron. Changing the language of authorization means -- if it means anything -- that Petraeus will have to surround himself with lawyers who will tell him, every time he wants to deploy a unit, whether he is ordering a legal "support" mission or an illegal "combat" mission.

If Levin wants to withdraw our forces from the civil war in the cities to more secure bases from which we can continue training and launching operations against al-Qaeda, he should present that to the country as an alternative to (or a fallback after) the administration's troop surge. But to force it on our commanders through legalisms is simply to undermine their ability to fight the war occurring on the ground today.

Slowly bleeding our forces by defunding what our commanders think they need to win (the House approach) or rewording the authorization of the use of force so that lawyers decide what operations are to be launched (the Senate approach) is no way to fight a war. It is no way to end a war. It is a way to complicate the war and make it inherently unwinnable -- and to shirk the political responsibility for doing so.

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Michael Tee

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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2007, 04:34:46 PM »
<<Of course, the Democrats believe the war cannot be won. But if that's the case, they should order a withdrawal by cutting off funds.  They shouldn't micromanage the war in a way that will make winning impossible. That not only endangers the troops remaining in the field, it also makes the Democrats' "the war is lost" mantra a self-fulfilling prophecy.>>

I don't think that is what Murtha is really saying.  The war CAN be won, but at a very much higher cost than the Bush administration wants to pay.  Murtha's bill says, "If you want to win the war, put up the money that it will really cost.  If you DON'T want to pay the actual cost, quit fucking around with the lives of the troops and pull the plug on this farce right now before more lives are needlessly sacrificed."

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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2007, 05:44:14 PM »
I don't think that is what Murtha is really saying.  The war CAN be won, but at a very much higher cost than the Bush administration wants to pay.  Murtha's bill says, "If you want to win the war, put up the money that it will really cost.  If you DON'T want to pay the actual cost, quit fucking around with the lives of the troops and pull the plug on this farce right now before more lives are needlessly sacrificed."
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If the US put the sort of effort into this war that was expended on WWII (A draft, a huge army, many sacrifices on the pert of the people), then it MIGHT be possible to disarm, jail, and/or kill all the dissidents in Iraq. It would be exceedingly hard to turn Iraq into a pluralistic democracy because (a) this ideal runs counter to 6000 years of Iraqi history and (2) we do not have enough people to explain to the Iraqis, with whom we do not share any soprt of heritage or customs or language, why they should really really want this. The key to a democratic Iraq is convincing the Iraqis.

I tend to think that the objectives as originally stated by the Juniorbushies, of turning Iraq into an exemplery pluralistic democracy are impossible to achieve at any cost, but that is not really the issue.

The issue is whether the American people are willing to make the huge sacrifice they would need to make to win.
I think that the American people have had far too much already.

After Vietnam, this is NOT a patient country. We like instant results.


"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2007, 03:49:08 AM »
"After Vietnam, this is NOT a patient country. We like instant results."


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Knowing this is the only thing that ever gave Osama the nerve to attack us.

Good thing it is totally wrong.