Draining the swamp?

[sirs]

Oh, Pelosi will be villified for it as well. Just look in this thread for some of the early possibilities. Ami has used the pork-barrel projects and Bt has used the agenda-on-the-backs-of-the-poor. And if the Democrats had not done this, they would have been called to the mat for using the Iraq War as a political move, but then not doing anything about it.   Villification is easy. You think any of this is new?

Of course not.  The point being how transparently hypocritical politicians are, & how the Dems came to power with the pledge of "draining the swamp" with this supposed return to ethical politics, when in fact, it's back to SOP.  And here you are applauding how "smart she is", when in fact she, by your own admission, isn't doing anything different than what DC politicians have always been doing.  So, where's this supposed "intelligence" you seem to have located?         All I'm seeing is deplorable conduct, now being headed by the Democrats.  You find that "smart"?  Something to be admired?  Your bar that low??

[_JS]

Damn right i did. Because that is exactly what it is. Excuse or minimize it all you want, but this particular tactic sucks.

Oh I completely agree, but you didn't seem to care when your party was doing it.

So, where's this supposed "intelligence" you seem to have located?          All I'm seeing is deplorable conduct, now being headed by the Democrats.  You find that "smart"?  Something to be admired?  Your bar that low??

By the reaction of the Republicans questioned, I'm guessing they didn't see it coming. So in that sense, as a player of the game I'd say Pelosi just made a bold and unexpected move.

It is like a chess game, where predictable moves are less lousy than unpredictable ones. She made an unpredictable move. I find that interesting, if for no other reason than the humour of watching politicians twist in the wind.

My bar that low? No, I didn't vote for these people.

[Amianthus]

By the reaction of the Republicans questioned, I'm guessing they didn't see it coming. So in that sense, as a player of the game I'd say Pelosi just made a bold and unexpected move.

Oh, I fully forsaw that move coming. It was not a surprise at all. I'm more surprised that so many people made the claims they did ("draining the swamp", "the adults are in charge", etc) with full realization that the Dems would do something just like this.

[BT]

Oh I completely agree, but you didn't seem to care when your party was doing it.

I don't recall the GOP threatening to leave people homeless and hungry, unless the dems voted to pass the tax cuts.

Perhaps you could remind me of when this happened.

[The_Professor]

This is politics.

Y'all act like this is something new.

I hope and expect the Dems to act like they said they would, not business as usual, otherwise where's the difference? Gimme a CLEAR ethical party, O please O God. All their talk of being mature is not turning out that way, therefore, they are hypocrites just like the Republicans they indict.

[sirs]

By the reaction of the Republicans questioned, I'm guessing they didn't see it coming. So in that sense, as a player of the game I'd say Pelosi just made a bold and unexpected move.

I think most of us had full expectations that the Dems would revert right back into their morbid political posturing & partisan hatred.  The "entertaining part" is in referencing the all to often used quotes of how they were going to refrain from such, bringing respect, ethics, and morals back to Washington.  Yea, right

My bar that low? No, I didn't vote for these people.

Yea, that's why you don't admire them for how smart they are.     

[Universe Prince]

Yeah, pushing political agendas on the backs of the poor is always impressive.

And will always be done in American politics. Welcome to capitalism.

That ain't capitalism. American politics, yes, absolutely. Capitalism, no.

[_JS]

I don't recall the GOP threatening to leave people homeless and hungry, unless the dems voted to pass the tax cuts.

Perhaps you could remind me of when this happened.

Are you honestly telling me that the GOP did not attach riders to their favored legislation Bt? Don't condemn the game of politics then come in here and play it with me. Do you really want to search through the records and find the shit that DeLay and K-Street attached to legislation?

Gimme a CLEAR ethical party, O please O God.

I told you not to search for God in the pig sty of politics.

I think most of us had full expectations that the Dems would revert right back into their morbid political posturing & partisan hatred.  The "entertaining part" is in referencing the all to often used quotes of how they were going to refrain from such, bringing respect, ethics, and morals back to Washington.  Yea, right

No. You were hoping Pelosi would be a pushover, as I'm sure many were. You were hoping all the talk of ethics and bipartisanship meant that the Republicans could act like they've always done and easily have the advantage. But it was not to be so. The game is no fun without a good opponent.

Yea, that's why you don't admire them for how smart they are.

Ummm...whatever that means Sirs. There isn't a person in the House or Senate that I voted for.

That ain't capitalism. American politics, yes, absolutely. Capitalism, no.

Perhaps Prince...I find it difficult to distinguish at times.

[Universe Prince]

Are you suggesting that this sort of thing would not happen in a socialist government?

[sirs]

I think most of us had full expectations that the Dems would revert right back into their morbid political posturing & partisan hatred.  The "entertaining part" is in referencing the all to often used quotes of how they were going to refrain from such, bringing respect, ethics, and morals back to Washington.  Yea, right

No. You were hoping Pelosi would be a pushover, as I'm sure many were. You were hoping all the talk of ethics and bipartisanship meant that the Republicans could act like they've always done and easily have the advantage.

What are you smoking Js?  You know what I and the GOP were hoping for, despite my and many others' comments to the contrary?  What I was "hoping for" was that a Dem who proposed to run on a higher ethical & moral foundation than those corruptable reprehensible Republicans, would actually hold her party to such a bar.  What I "expected" was what we precisely got.  Same garbage, simply now with a "D" running it.

Yea, that's why you don't admire them for how smart they are.

Ummm...whatever that means Sirs. There isn't a person in the House or Senate that I voted for.

Oh, is that how it works.  Since you didn't personally vote for them, you have no need to criticize their acts you'd be raking Republicans for.  In fact, you can admire them, for how "smart" they are.  How they'd pulled one over those dastardly Republicans.  Frellin amazing

[_JS]

Are you suggesting that this sort of thing would not happen in a socialist government?

A fair point. It might be less likely to happen if the employees owned the companies.

You know what I and the GOP were hoping for, despite my and many others' comments to the contrary?

I guess that wasn't very fair. That's what some of the GOP were hoping for I suspect. You? You're part of the mob for the most part.

Since you didn't personally vote for them, you have no need to criticize their acts you'd be raking Republicans for.

What a pedestrian response. No, I just don't expect them to do any better and your question was about the "bar." I never said I "admired" anyone, or can you point out otherwise?

I just find it amusing watching everyone in their faux outrage. I've witnessed this same crap go back and forth for what? Fifteen years now. Even the veiled insults are stale.

Why is this about me anyway? Go back to your mob.

[BT]

Are you honestly telling me that the GOP did not attach riders to their favored legislation Bt?

I do not recall the GOP holding the hungry and homeless hostage to get pet bills passed. And if you could find an example of that from DeLAy or K Street or whatever the demon of the day is i would like to see it.

[Universe Prince]

It might be less likely to happen if the employees owned the companies.

But isn't this exactly what happens when the employees own the company? We put these people in charge. We are the ones looking to Congressmen to get federal funding for our projects. Sure, we may say it's wrong for those people, but our project really needs the money. We have the government we, collectively, have asked it to be, have we not?

[Michael Tee]

<<It gives me no satisfaction to vote against measures that I have been working for since even before [Hurricane] Katrina, but I cannot in good conscience vote for a bill that does this to our troops," Boustany said yesterday, decrying what he called the "cheap politics" of using disaster aid to win votes on a measure this controversial.>>

Hey, that's cool.  He's a man of great principle.  He can explain to his constituents that he really wanted to preserve their livelihood and their heritage, but that bringing "democracy" to Iraq was way more important.  I'm sure the voters will appreciate finishing in last place behind the Iraqis in their elected representative's scheme of things.

Since when is looking after your constituents' basic needs equated with riding on their backs?  Only in the demented and profoundly anti-democratic world of right-wing ideologues.

[BT]

No need to bundle the bills together.