ghetto talk

[kimba1]

http://www.thebluestate.com/2007/03/gingrich_biling.html

I speak 3 languages sort of
that makes me ghetto-------------------cool

ok with my background that he might be right

fi sizzle my nizzle
still don`t know what da f that means

[Plane]

"Even Gingrich cannot stop the fact that we are living in an interconnected world.  When you learn another language, you are not trapping yourself -- you are opening the doors of communication with other cultures.  With all the tough times abroad that we are facing today, maybe it's not a bad idea to stress the importance of communication and understanding."



   If "ghetto" means the isolation of a minority into a location out of the way of the majority , then Gingrich has a good point , failing to learn English is a very bad handicap for someone living in the USA. A program that makes learning English optional to students is a disservice to them.

  On the other hand encouraging bilingual children to forget their first language is not a favor to them , bilingual people fluent in two languages are in demand.

   Nationally ,we suffer a dearth of  translators and sales personell that would improve our export and import  businesses , a small supply of potential spys and a ridiculous provincialism that hides many truths from us.

     What are we going to do to continue to encourage national unity ,but also to encourage those who are so fortunate  to learn a second language from their mothers to remember their heritage?

[kimba1]

uhm
awhile back I was at a asian xerox conference
the guy was practically begging any fluent bilingual associate to sign on to his dept.
the china contract annually makes at least a billion dollars for xerox.
you can`t make that kind of money just speaking english.
xerox completely understand the value of learning multiple languages.
in business knowing only one language WILL limit you options.
this is a fact.

[kimba1]

also immersion is a extremely flawed method of education
I was self taught till college so I understand about immersion
just being around english speaking people only teaches you what spoken around you
you will never know the nuances of english
ex. epitome,idiot,viola
without a esl class
you will never read these words right.
till someone actually say them in front of you.
immersion does not do that at all.
I had to take esl in college to learn that.

Eh-pi-tohm,Iye-dee-oht,vhi-oh-la
these are the sound of the word without esl

I always knew these words
just I never connected to the print.

[Plane]

Is it true that one can learn to read Chineese without learning to speak Chineese?

[kimba1]

true
but thats true with any language
possible easier
since we don`t have to pronounce it
I think the major portion of time learning a language in the begining is pronounciation.
just saying ngoi can take months
most folk can`t pronounce it.
people can`t understand me saying pants or pans
and I speak with a northern california accent.
and yes dude is a part of my vocabulary

[Plane]

http://members.aol.com/ggwiz/asl10.htm

[The_Professor]

In order to be economically successful, you need to learn the language of the area you work and/or reside in, whether it is Turkey or the U.S.

Ebonics, as an example, does not lead to this suceess.

As far as China, it is apparent to me that China is the NEXT world power and as such, many more Americans should learn more about their culture and language.

[Plane]

Many more Chineese citizens speak English than US Citizens speak Chineese.


This is true of many of our tadeing partners .


Are we looseing business?

[kimba1]

that`s cool!!
I tried learning it several time but it just don`t stick
I can`t get my hands to work right
It reminds me of flutes
i have trouble getting hands to behaive to get the notes out
someday I`ll play the flute again
someday

[Lanya]

Speaking of the flute:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHKmrHeA65g

Jethro Tull's (and Bach's) Bouree  on flute

This is my walking music.  Ever since it came out, whenever I walk any distance this is what goes through my head. 

[kimba1]

don`t know
but I kinda doubt if we don`t speak the language of whoever we are negotiating .
that we`ll get the best deal .
ex. the early days of xerox with the soviet union.
complete lost of money till we got the hang of the language and culture.
japan you can speak english but you`ll still be at a disadvantage of not knowing the culture.
I`ve seen several ducumentary on lost deals about this
it is quite insulting for countries to learn our ways and we don`t do the same.

[kimba1]

i just looked up how to play flutes
fortunely I`ve played before so i can learn from it
but this would not work well with people who never blew into a flute before
this needs special attention to learn
video would help alot,but the text based stuff would be very hard
it takes massive amount of practice to learn how to properly blow into a flute
took me over a week first time out

[Xavier_Onassis]

The two biggest problems with learning English are (1) the pronunciation, because the written form often does not follow the spoken form, and (2) the fact that only a very few native English speakers can explain the grammar. Mostly, English classes in English-speaking countries are just remedial. They teach you not to say 'ain't' and 'hisself'.

The Internet can provide a pronunciation for nearly every word you could record these and practice them until you got it right.

In the various Chinese languages, the written language provides NO clue at all to the pronunciation.
There are several ways in which Chinese is written using the Roman alphabet, but all of them suck mightily. One was devised by some British missionary, the other was devised by someone in the PRC. As I said, both suck.
 
Neither Xiang nor Ch'iang is a decent suggestion of the actual pronunciation, for example.


The hardest problem for Westerners to learn is the tone, for which there is no good way to show in written form.

[kimba1]

don`t forget in both directions
sounds that don`t exist in each others language
the -th is not used at all in the chinese language
ngoi there is no ng sound in the english language
rolling r in spanish is not used in english
I can`t say rodrigreuz to save my life.
don`t ask me how to sat ruffles