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Iglesias went on lots of trips....
« on: April 04, 2007, 07:38:21 PM »
Newsweek: Agency to Investigate Iglesias Firing
By Paul Kiel - April 4, 2007, 4:56 PM

It's almost too perfect.

When Justice Department official William Moschella was asked why the Department had fired U.S. Attorney David Iglesias, he told Congress that “Iglesias had delegated to his first assistant the overall running of the office. And, quite frankly, U.S. attorneys are hired to run the office.” Internal documents from the time show officials planning to accuse Iglesias of being an "absentee landlord" to justify his firing.

Iglesias did, in fact, leave the office for 45 days each year. But that's because he's a a captain in the Navy Reserve -- something that was no secret to his superiors.

So now the Office of Special Counsel is investigating whether Iglesias was wrongfully terminated due to his reserve duty, Newsweek reports. It is against the law for employers to discriminate against members of the U.S. military.

Now, as Kyle Sampson admitted last week, there was no real performance reason to fire Iglesias. And in fact, it's indisputable at this point that Iglesias was actually fired because he didn't indict enough Democrats.* So the "absentee landlord" line was just a cover story -- but one that seems to have gotten them into some trouble now.

It's not the first time that one of the phony justifications has backfired for the Justice Department. When Karl Rove's former aide Tim Griffin replaced Bud Cummins as the U.S. attorney in eastern Arkansas, a Justice Department spokesman told the press and Sen. Mark Pryor (D-AR) that Griffin had been installed as the U.S. attorney instead of Cummins' first assistant because she was on maternity leave at the time.

Of course, Justice Department officials had been scheming for almost six months to install Griffin when he was finally appointed last December, so the maternity excuse was a lie. But as Pryor later pointed out, it's against the law for employers to discriminate against women on the basis of a pregnancy -- something well known at the Justice Department, of course.

*Update: To answer the reader question below as to whether this claim goes too far.... The only reason Kyle Sampson could offer in his testimony last week for Iglesias' firing was a complaint from Karl Rove about Iglesias' performance on voter fraud cases. Since Iglesias was lauded by the department for his voter fraud task force, there can be no doubt that his office vigorously investigated the issue. What his office didn't do, however, was indict Democrats -- much to the chagrin of several prominent New Mexico Republicans, who subsequently complained to the White House about Iglesias' failure to deliver.

Now, prominent Republicans (like Sen. Pete Domenici (R-NM)) were also upset about Iglesias' failure to indict a state Democrat on corruption charges. But whether that was the reason for Iglesias' firing or it was the voter fraud issue, or both -- it all amounts to the same thing: he was fired for not indicting Democrats.
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Re: Iglesias went on lots of trips....
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2007, 07:42:30 PM »
was actually fired because he didn't indict enough Democrats.*


Do you mean that he was giveing a pass to lawbreakers if they were Democrats?

This seems like very good grounds.

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Re: Iglesias went on lots of trips....
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2007, 09:19:18 PM »
Doesn't matter why he was fired.

He served at the pleasure of the president.

All US Attorneys do.

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Re: Iglesias went on lots of trips....
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2007, 12:23:08 AM »
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Doesn't matter why he was fired.

He served at the pleasure of the president.

All US Attorneys do.

It does matter, since they have tried to smear his reputation by saying he didn't do his job, and took too much time off. Sure, go ahead and fire him, but don't lie about the reason. This administration seems to keep getting caught with their pants down when it comes to telling the truth, and their fall-back lies don't stick either.

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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2007, 12:59:19 AM »
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2007, 10:08:00 AM »
Fact is it doesn't matter why he was fired.

I do agree that the admin should be consistent in its explanations, though i don't see where an explanation is necessary.

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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2007, 11:18:22 AM »
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I do agree that the admin should be consistent in its explanations, though i don't see where an explanation is necessary.

Then why did they make the claim that his job performance was lacking, or that he was gone too often? Why not just say, 'Hey, we changed our mind, we'd rather have someone else', rather than tag the man as a slacker or an absentee employee? Slandering him gains them nothing.
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2007, 11:49:03 AM »
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Then why did they make the claim that his job performance was lacking, or that he was gone too often?

My guess is that is because human beings are not perfect. So what you have is people doing CYA, but that is it.

The underlying firings were legitimate executive functions.

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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2007, 12:10:02 PM »
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The underlying firings were legitimate executive functions.


Got no problem with that.

The problem I have is with the lies that were told to explain the firings.

Lies that weren't even needed.

Lies that were told apparently just to be telling them.

Taken with the other lies and distortions of the truth we have gotten from this administration, I'd say Congress has reason to be concerned and to investigate them.

Which is a legitimate legislative branch function.
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2007, 12:41:46 PM »
Congress can investigate the miscues all they want, then again they started out investigating "illegal" firings. Guess that was a lie too. Since the firings were not illegal.


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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2007, 12:46:33 PM »
Let me just add that anyone (which translates to actually anyone, and by no means directed at any 1 poster) who wants to keep perseverating on the dren that "Bush lied us into war" are themselves lying.  Either thru indiscriminate ignorance or willful hatred.  Or both perhaps

If you are not of that mindset, and simply believe the war was wrong to begin with and/or Bush has been woefully inadequate in it's prosecution, then this post does not reference you as part of the above sample
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Re: Iglesias went on lots of trips....
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2007, 07:23:27 PM »
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The underlying firings were legitimate executive functions.


Got no problem with that.

The problem I have is with the lies that were told to explain the firings.

Lies that weren't even needed.

Lies that were told apparently just to be telling them.

Taken with the other lies and distortions of the truth we have gotten from this administration, I'd say Congress has reason to be concerned and to investigate them.

Which is a legitimate legislative branch function.


I agree , this is what botheed me worst about "Travelgate".

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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2007, 06:15:58 AM »
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I agree , this is what botheed me worst about "Travelgate".

I imagine I am now supposed to leap to Bubba's defense, or Hillary's, actually. Sorry, no dice. Billary is the one entity I despise almost as much as Dubya. Only almost, though.
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2007, 08:30:15 AM »
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I agree , this is what botheed me worst about "Travelgate".

I imagine I am now supposed to leap to Bubba's defense, or Hillary's, actually. Sorry, no dice. Billary is the one entity I despise almost as much as Dubya. Only almost, though.



I am mildly dissapointed.

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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2007, 12:35:56 PM »
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I agree , this is what botheed me worst about "Travelgate".

I imagine I am now supposed to leap to Bubba's defense, or Hillary's, actually. Sorry, no dice. Billary is the one entity I despise almost as much as Dubya. Only almost, though.

I am somewhat surprised. Why?