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Political Clowning from our Speaker of the House
« on: April 04, 2007, 11:19:53 PM »
Democrats Playing With Fire
By Thomas Sowell

Congressman Tom Lantos, who is a member of the delegation that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is leading to Syria, put the mission clearly when he said: "We have an alternative Democratic foreign policy."

Democrats can have any foreign policy they want -- if and when they are elected to the White House.

Until Nancy Pelosi came along, it was understood by all that we had only one president at a time and -- like him or not -- he alone had the Constitutional authority to speak for this country to foreign nations, especially in wartime.

All that Pelosi's trip can accomplish is to advertise American disunity to a terrorist-sponsoring nation in the Middle East while we are in a war there. That in turn can only embolden the Syrians to exploit the lack of unified resolve in Washington by stepping up their efforts to destabilize Iraq and the Middle East in general.

Members of the opposition party, whichever party that might be at a given time, knew that their role was not to intervene abroad themselves to undermine this country's foreign policy, however much they might criticize it at home.

During the Second World War, the defeated Republican presidential candidate, Wendell Wilkie, even acted as President Roosevelt's personal envoy to British Prime Minister Churchill.

He understood that we were all in this together, however we might disagree among ourselves about the best course to follow.

Today, Nancy Pelosi and the Congressional Democrats are stepping in to carry out their own foreign policy and even their own military policy on troop deployment -- all the while denying that they are intruding on the president's authority.

They are doing the same thing domestically by making a big media circus over the fact that the Bush administration fired eight U.S. attorneys. These attorneys are among the many officials who serve at the pleasure of the president -- which means that they can be fired at any time for any reason or for no reason.

That is why there was no big hullabaloo in the media when Bill Clinton fired all the U.S. attorneys across the country -- even though that got rid of the U.S. attorneys who were conducting an on-going investigation into corruption in Clinton's own administration as governor of Arkansas.

So much hate has been hyped against George W. Bush that anything that is done against him is unlikely to be questioned in most of the media.

But whatever passing damage is being done to George W. Bush is a relatively minor concern compared to the lasting damage that is being done to the presidency as an institution that will still be here when George W. Bush is gone.

Once it becomes accepted that it is all right to violate both the laws and the traditions of this nation, and to undermine the ability of the United States to speak to other nations of the world with one voice, we will have taken another fateful step downward into the degeneration of this society.

Such a drastic and irresponsible step should remove any lingering doubt that the Democrats' political strategy is to ensure that there is an American defeat in Iraq, in order to ensure their own political victory in 2008.

That these political games are being played while Iran keeps advancing relentlessly toward acquiring nuclear weapons is a fateful sign of the utter unreality of politicians preoccupied with scoring points and a media obsessed with celebrity bimbos, living and dead.

Once Iran has nuclear weapons, that will be an irreversible change that will mark a defining moment in the history of the United States and of Western civilization, which will forever after live at the mercy of hate-filled suicidal fanatics and sadists.

Yet among too many politicians in Washington, it is business as usual. Indeed, it is monkey business as usual, as Congressional Democrats revel in the power of their new and narrow election victory last year to drag people before committee hearings and posture for the television cameras.

It has been said that the world ends not with a bang but with a whimper. But who would have thought that it could end with political clowning in the shadow of a mushroom cloud?


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Re: Political Clowning from our Speaker of the House
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2007, 11:48:08 AM »
Nancy Pelosi's foolish shuttle diplomacy

Thursday, April 5, 2007

HOUSE SPEAKER Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) offered an excellent demonstration yesterday of why members of Congress should not attempt to supplant the secretary of state when traveling abroad. After a meeting with Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad in Damascus, Ms. Pelosi announced that she had delivered a message from Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that "Israel was ready to engage in peace talks" with Syria. What's more, she added, Mr. Assad was ready to "resume the peace process" as well. Having announced this seeming diplomatic breakthrough, Ms. Pelosi suggested that her Kissingerian shuttle diplomacy was just getting started. "We expressed our interest in using our good offices in promoting peace between Israel and Syria," she said.

Only one problem: The Israeli prime minister entrusted Ms. Pelosi with no such message. "What was communicated to the U.S. House Speaker does not contain any change in the policies of Israel," said a statement quickly issued by the prime minister's office. In fact, Mr. Olmert told Ms. Pelosi that "a number of Senate and House members who recently visited Damascus received the impression that despite the declarations of Bashar Assad, there is no change in the position of his country regarding a possible peace process with Israel." In other words, Ms. Pelosi not only misrepresented Israel's position but was virtually alone in failing to discern that Mr. Assad's words were mere propaganda.

Ms. Pelosi was criticized by President Bush for visiting Damascus at a time when the administration -- rightly or wrongly -- has frozen high-level contacts with Syria. Mr. Bush said that thanks to the speaker's freelancing Mr. Assad was getting mixed messages from the United States. Ms. Pelosi responded by pointing out that Republican congressmen had visited Syria without drawing presidential censure. That's true enough -- but those other congressmen didn't try to introduce a new U.S. diplomatic initiative in the Middle East. "We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace," Ms. Pelosi grandly declared.

Never mind that that statement is ludicrous: As any diplomat with knowledge of the region could have told Ms. Pelosi, Mr. Assad is a corrupt thug whose overriding priority at the moment is not peace with Israel but heading off U.N. charges that he orchestrated the murder of former Lebanese prime minister Rafiq al-Hariri. The really striking development here is the attempt by a Democratic congressional leader to substitute her own foreign policy for that of a sitting Republican president.

Two weeks ago Ms. Pelosi rammed legislation through the House of Representatives that would strip Mr. Bush of his authority as commander in chief to manage troop movements in Iraq. Now she is attempting to introduce a new Middle East policy that directly conflicts with that of the president. We have found much to criticize in Mr. Bush's military strategy and regional diplomacy. But Ms. Pelosi's attempt to establish a shadow presidency is not only counterproductive, it is foolish.


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Re: Political Clowning from our Speaker of the House
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2007, 12:47:03 PM »
"...The really striking development here is the attempt by a Democratic congressional leader to substitute her own foreign policy for that of a sitting Republican president. "

I do not like it when the opposing Party does this, regardless of who the players of the Party is/are. Wait your turn at the table. It can portray a divisiveness to the world that may or may not be there. Regardless, it is similar to airing your dirty laundry -- you simply do not do it!

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Re: Political Clowning from our Speaker of the House
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2007, 03:01:11 PM »
Juniorbush is a despicable, bungling fool.

Pelosi's trip can do no more harm than Juniorbush has already done, and will probably prove quite useful in preparing for our next president, who will assuredly NOT be another moronic, warmongering, incompetent Republican.

If Juniorbush doesn't like it and he has the power to stop her (which he does not), let him try!
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Re: Political Clowning from our Speaker of the House
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2007, 09:56:01 PM »
The op-ed Xo is responding to is not from the conservative WSJ, not from the right wing Washington Times, not from the right leaning NY Post, but from the Bush-can-do no-right, Washington Post.  And for those like Xo who simply want to try to change the subject into how evil Bush is, demonstrates just how weak their position is on trying to defend our Idiot of the House, Pelosi
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Re: Political Clowning from our Speaker of the House
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2007, 10:03:45 PM »
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I am getting really, really tired of this:

    BARNICLE: And now you have Speaker Pelosi in Syria. You know, I think if she were Speaker Nancy Pelosi from Birmingham, Alabama, or Pensacola, Florida, or Chicago, Illinois, even, it might play a little better politically in Washington than it has been. But she‘s from San Francisco.



This is Mike "I promise not to plagiarize anymore" Barnicle from Taxachusetts saying this. He goes on to say that it doesn't matter what Nancy does, but he apparently felt he had to bond with the macho gasbags on Scarborough by gratuitously taking a shot at San Francisco. I wish these people would just stop it. It's chauvanistic, outdated and stupid.

[.............]
But it does explain one thing --- why nobody said a damned word when Denny Hastert was traipsing all over South America telling leaders that they should ignore the Clinton White House and negotiate directly with the Republican congress:

    In 1997, Rep. Dennis Hastert (R-IL) led a delegation to Colombia at a time when U.S. officials were trying to attach human rights conditions to U.S. security assistance programs. Hastert specifically encouraged Colombian military officials to “bypass” President Clinton and “communicate directly with Congress.”

        …a congressional delegation led by Rep. Dennis Hastert (R-IL) which met with Colombian military officials, promising to “remove conditions on assistance” and complaining about “leftist-dominated” U.S. congresses of years past that “used human rights as an excuse to aid the left in other countries.” Hastert said he would to correct this situation and expedite aid to countries allied in the war on drugs and also encouraged Colombian military officials to “bypass the U.S. executive branch and communicate directly with Congress.”


    Subsequently, U.S. Ambassador to Colombia Myles Frechette sent a cable complaining that Hastert’s actions had undermined his leverage with the Colombian military leadership.

    In other instances, Hastert actually guided congressional staff to unilaterally reach deals with Colombian officials:

        House Foreign Affairs Committee staff, at the direction of the Hastert group, would fly to Colombia, meet with the nation’s anti-narcotics police and negotiate the levels and terms of assistance, the scope of the program and the kinds of equipment that would be needed. Rarely were the U.S. diplomatic personnel in our embassy in Bogata consulted about the “U.S.” position in these negotiations, and in a number of instances they were excluded from or not even made aware of the meetings.




    Before I heard Barnicle I thought it was hypocritical that Republicans said nothing when Denny Hastert did this. Now I know that it's because Hastert is from Chicago, Illinois (even!) so it "played better politically" in Washington. This must be why Barnicle gets the big bucks and I don't.

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Re: Political Clowning from our Speaker of the House
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2007, 10:19:52 PM »
Perhaps you missed the part where the Professor accurately referenced that it is wrong when ANY party member opposite of the sitting president pulls this garbage that Pelosi just pulled.  Your lack of outrage at what your Useful Idiot of the House has caused, and this attempt to play the "Well the Republicans did it too" hypocritical dren, demonstrates far more your hatred for Bush & Republicans (who we all know, want women to die of cancer of course, right?)
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Re: Political Clowning from our Speaker of the House
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2007, 02:00:31 AM »





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Re: Political Clowning from our Speaker of the House
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2007, 03:30:12 AM »
Democrats at War
Prime Minister Pelosi and Secretary of State Lantos undermine U.S. foreign policy--and maybe their own party.

Friday, April 6, 2007


Democrats took Congress last fall in part by opposing the war in Iraq, but it is becoming clear that they view their election as a mandate for something far more ambitious--to wit, promoting and executing their own foreign policy, albeit without the detail of a Presidential election.

Their intentions were made plain this week with two remarkable acts by their House and Senate leaders. Majority Leader Harry Reid endorsed Senator Russ Feingold's proposal to withdraw from Iraq immediately, cutting off funds entirely within a year. He promised a vote soon, as part of what the Washington Post reported would also be a Democratic offensive to close Guantanamo, reinstate legal rights for terror suspects, and improve relations with Cuba.

Meanwhile, Speaker Nancy Pelosi made her now famous sojourn to Syria, donning a head scarf and advertising that she was conducting shuttle diplomacy between Jerusalem and Damascus. If there was any doubt that her trip was intended as far more than a routine Congressional "fact-finding" trip, House Foreign Affairs Chairman Tom Lantos put it to rest by declaring that, "We have an alternative Democratic foreign policy. I view my job as beginning with restoring overseas credibility and respect for the United States."

Americans should understand how extraordinary this is. There have been previous battles over U.S. foreign policy and fierce domestic criticism. In the 1990s, these columns defended Bill Clinton against "the Republican drift toward isolationism and political opportunism" amid the Kosovo conflict. But rarely in U.S. history have Congressional leaders sought to conduct their own independent diplomacy, with the Speaker acting as a Prime Minister traveling with a Secretary of State in the person of Mr. Lantos.

Yes, Congressional Republicans have visited Syria too. But Ms. Pelosi isn't some minority back-bencher. Without a Democrat in the White House, she and Mr. Reid are the national leaders of their party. Even Newt Gingrich, for all his grand domestic ambitions in 1995, took a muted stand on foreign policy, realizing that in the American system the executive has the bulk of national security power. He also understood he would do the country no favors by sending a mixed message to our enemies--at the time, Slobodan Milosevic.

What was Ms. Pelosi hoping to accomplish, other than embarrassing President Bush? "We were very pleased with reassurances we received from the president that he was ready to resume the peace process," she told reporters after meeting with dictator Bashar Assad. "We expressed our interest in using our good offices in promoting peace between Israel and Syria."

She purported to convey a message from Israel's Ehud Olmert expressing similar interest in "the peace process," except that the Israeli Prime Minister felt obliged to issue a clarification noting that Ms. Pelosi had got the message wrong. Israel hadn't changed its policy, which is that it will negotiate only when Mr. Assad repudiates his support for terrorism and stops trying to dominate Lebanon. As a shuttle diplomat, Ms. Pelosi needs some practice.

Mr. Lantos probably got closer to their real intentions when he told reporters that "this is only the beginning of our constructive dialogue with Syria, and we hope to build on it." The Pelosi cavalcade is intended to show that if only the Bush Administration would engage in "constructive dialogue," the Syrians, Israelis and everyone else could all get along.

This is the same Syrian regime that
- has facilitated the movement of money and insurgents to kill Americans in Iraq;
- that has been implicated by a U.N. probe in the murder of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri;
and
- that has snubbed any number of U.S. overtures since the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003.

Perhaps if he works hard enough, Mr. Lantos can match the 22 visits to Damascus that Bill Clinton's Secretary of State Warren Christopher made in the 1990s trying to squeeze peace from that same stone.

In fact, Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Lantos both voted for the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2003 that ordered Mr. Bush to choose from a menu of six sanctions to impose on Damascus. Mr. Bush chose the weakest two sanctions and dispatched a new Ambassador to Syria in a goodwill gesture in 2004. Only later, in the wake of the Hariri murder and clear intelligence of Syria's role in aiding Iraqi Baathists, did Mr. Bush conclude that Mr. Assad's real goal was to reassert control over Lebanon and bleed Americans in Iraq.

With her trip, Ms. Pelosi has now reassured the Syrian strongman that Mr. Bush lacks the domestic support to impose any further pressure on his country. She has also made it less likely that Mr. Assad will cooperate with the Hariri probe, or assist the Iraqi government in defeating Baathist and al Qaeda terrorists.

Back in Washington, Harry Reid says his response to Mr. Bush's certain veto of his Iraq spending bill will be to escalate. He now supports cutting off funds and beginning an immediate withdrawal, even as General David Petraeus's surge in Baghdad unfolds and shows signs of promise. If Mr. Bush were as politically cynical as Democrats think, he'd let Mr. Reid's policy become law. Then Democrats would share responsibility for whatever mayhem happened next.

So this is Democratic foreign policy:
- Assure our enemies that they can ignore a President who still has 21 months to serve;
and
- wash their hands of Baghdad and of their own guilt for voting to let Mr. Bush go to war.

No doubt Democrats think the President's low job approval, and public unhappiness with the war, gives them a kind of political immunity. But we wonder.

Once we leave Iraq, America's enemies will still reside in the Mideast; and they will be stronger if we leave behind a failed government and bloodbath in Iraq. Mr. Bush's successor will have to contain the damage, and that person could even be a Democrat. But by reverting to their Vietnam message of retreat and by blaming Mr. Bush for all the world's ills, Democrats on Capitol Hill may once again convince voters that they can't be trusted with the White House in a dangerous world.

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Re: Political Clowning from our Speaker of the House
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2007, 07:01:26 AM »
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I am getting really, really tired of this:
[snip]

I guess the response should be "Well, Hastert isn't in office anymore, so there is no use complaining about what he did."

Isn't that about right? Isn't that what I hear anytime someone brings up "Clinton did it too"?
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Re: Political Clowning from our Speaker of the House
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2007, 11:12:55 AM »
I was pointing out that THOMAS SOWELL, a well-known ratwing "official Conservative Black Guy" was condemning Pelosi for making her trip. Republicans have made trips to Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia with no comments from Sowell.

Here is why Pelosi should have made her trip: Juniorbush is demonstrably incompetent to attain any sort of satisfactory end to his misconceived war, which has lasted longer than either the Civil War or WWII, and is costing we taxpayers $200 million PER DAY, and that is just the official figure.

The Representatives are elected to represent us and to see that our money is spent wisely.

Juniorbush and Cheney have failed in this trust by any sensible index any logical being might devise.

Adult supervision and creative moves are needed.
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Re: Political Clowning from our Speaker of the House
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2007, 11:56:17 AM »
I was pointing out that THOMAS SOWELL, a well-known ratwing "official Conservative Black Guy" was condemning Pelosi for making her trip. Republicans have made trips to Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia with no comments from Sowell.

And while you make every effort to ignore what Pelosi has done, and even try to rationalize why it was a good thing, I was pointing out how that a well known left wing publication, the Washington Post, was condemning Pelosi for her trip, and focusing on it alone, since its "obvious" that  anything the Republicans have done were either irrelevent at this time or in no way any attempt to circumvent the President's policies.

So, regardless of how evil & incompotent you think Bush and his policies are, it's still one of the worst things Pelosi could have done.  It undermines our credibilty, and demonstrates to thugs like Syria & Iran that they can get away with anything they want, since our President won't have the overiding support back here to deal with thugs like Syria.

You can hate Bush all you want Xo, but he's still President.  Doesn't mean you have to like him, respect him, or support him in any way.  But to support undermining U.S. policy & position in the face of countries like Syria, as well as Iran, China, North Korea, etc, demonstrates how much you allow your hatred for 1 man to completely blind you to the realities and consequences to the actions your beloved Dems keep pulling.  The ends justify the means crowd really does get a little sickening to watch day in and day out.       :P

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Re: Political Clowning from our Speaker of the House
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2007, 01:09:29 PM »
We must look at things in context and determine what is appropriate to the times. A categorical ban on visits by any others than those from the executive branch carrying formal diplomatic portfolio would be folly. Instead, keeping with the general theme of checks and balances, a wider swath of government officicals and perhaps private citizens should be empowered to take a hand at either stirring good will or providing an avenue for a breakthrough on points of contention both small and grand. This "right" to go beyond the formal diplomatic apparatus, though it should be very judiciously used, should also be jealously protected. Like all politics, its exercise is an art; but like many "rights" in a democratic republic run on the literal "power of the people," its "curtailment" is best addressed through political exhortation, not legal action, and that discourse must be gauged to the temper of the times, as previously mentioned. Given the backdrop of Bush's continual bumbling in Iraq and the broader region impacted by the war, Nancy Pelosi's initiative simply can't hurt though it could help. Thus cast, the "propriety" of her trip is a no-brainer, especially when she assiduously refrained from openly stepping on the toes of the centurions who now man the foreign policy establishment for this great country.
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Re: Political Clowning from our Speaker of the House
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2007, 01:34:11 PM »
It was the wrong thing to do at the wrong time Domer.  The dems even went public with this notion of their version of a foreign polcy platform, they're trying to push.  It was irresponsible, foolish, and dare I say wreckless, be it GOP on a Dem President, or in this case, Dems to a GOP President. 

It's 1 thing for legislators to go abroad to allies and talk turkey.  It's quite another for legislators to go to countries leading the way in terrorist endeavors, at the public request by the Executive branch not to go, and try propping up some version of their own party's foreign policy.  That's an executive responsiblity, and when the Dems are running the White House, Pelosi can do the bidding of that president, without hint of irresponsibility from this end.

It was patently & blatantly wrong Domer, and hurts this country's credibility and resolve MUCH greater than the transparent attempt to hurt Bush
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Re: Political Clowning from our Speaker of the House
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2007, 12:43:01 AM »
Nancy Pelosi has by her own testimony violated the Logan act  how long can one be locked up if convicted?