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Explosion Rocks Iraqi Parliament; 2 Dead
« on: April 12, 2007, 08:45:29 AM »
Apr 12, 7:37 AM (ET)

By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA

BAGHDAD (AP) - A bomb rocked a cafeteria inside Iraq's parliament building in the heavily fortified Green Zone Thursday, killing two lawmakers, a security official said. A parliament official said many people were also wounded

The explosion took place while several lawmakers were eating lunch, said Mohammed Abu Bakr, who heads the media department at the parliament.

"Several people were wounded, including members of parliament and some employees," Abu Bakr said.

Initial media reports said at least four people were wounded. Al-Arabiyah television said a member of parliament was killed.

A spokesman for the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, which is also in the Green Zone, said no Americans were injured in the blast.

"We are aware of reports of an explosion in the Green Zone. We are investigating the nature and source of the explosion," spokesman Lou Fintor said. "No Embassy employees or U.S. citizens were affected."

The attack came hours after a suicide truck bomb exploded on a major bridge in Baghdad, collapsing the steel structure and sending cars tumbling into the Tigris River below, police and witnesses said. At least 10 people were killed.

Hospital officials said another 26 were injured, and police were trying to rescue as many as 20 people whose cars plummeted off the al-Sarafiya bridge.

Waves lapped against twisted girders, as patrol boats searched for survivors while U.S. helicopters whirred overhead. Scuba divers donned flippers and waded in from the riverbanks.

Farhan al-Sudani, a 34-year-old Shiite businessman who lives near the bridge, said the blast woke him at dawn.

"A huge explosion shook our house and I thought it would demolish our house. Me and my wife jumped immediately from our bed, grabbed our three kids and took them outside," he said.

The al-Sarafiya bridge connected two northern Baghdad neighborhoods - Waziriyah, a mostly Sunni enclave, and Utafiyah, a Shiite area.

Police blamed the attack on a suicide truck bomber, but Associated Press Television News footage showed the bridge broken apart in two places - perhaps the result of two blasts.

Cement pilings that support the steel structure were left crumbling. At the base of one lay a charred vehicle engine, believed to be that of the truck bomb.

"We were astonished more when we saw the extent of damage," said Ahmed Abdul-Karim, 45, who also lives near the bridge. "I was standing in my garden and I saw the smoke and flying debris."

Locals said the al-Sarafiya bridge is believed to be at least 75 years old, built by the British in the early part of the 20th century.

"It is one of Baghdad's monuments. This is really damaging for Iraq. We are losing a lot of our history every day," Abdul-Karim said.

The al-Sarafiya bridge has a duplicate in Fallujah that was built later and made infamous in March 2004, when angry mobs hung the charred bodies of U.S. contractors from the bridge's girders.

"This bridge is linked to Baghdad's modern history - it is one of our famous monuments," said Haider Ghazala, a 52-year-old Iraqi architect.

"Attacking this bridge affects the morale of Iraqis and especially Baghdad residents who feel proud of this bridge. They (insurgents) want to demolish everything that connects the people with this land," he said.

Before the al-Sarafiyah bridge was destroyed, nine spans across the Tigris linked western and eastern Baghdad.

The river now serves as a de facto dividing line between the mostly Shiite east and the largely Sunni west of the city, a reality of more than a year of sectarian fighting that has forced Sunnis to flee neighborhoods where they were a minority and likewise for Shiites.

Baghdad's neighborhoods had been very mixed before the war but hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced since then as militants from both Muslim sects have sought to cleanse their neighborhoods of rivals.

There have been unconfirmed reports for months that Sunni insurgents and al-Qaida in Iraq were planning a campaign to blow up the city's bridges. U.S. military headquarters near the Baghdad airport and the Green Zone, site of the U.S. Embassy and Iraqi parliament and government, are both on the west side of the river.

Also Thursday, the U.S. military said its troops killed two suspected insurgents and captured 17 in raids across the country.

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Associated Press Writer Lauren Frayer contributed to this report.

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Re: Explosion Rocks Iraqi Parliament; 2 Dead
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2007, 09:45:10 AM »
But . . .   But . . . they're the democratically elected representatives of the entire Iraqi people!  Who could be behind such a dastardly act?

I think America needs to double its occupying force.  Maybe then those bastards will learn to respect their own Vichy, ooops I mean Baghdad, government.  And if they don't . . .

then maybe the U.S. should just kill 'em all and settle the country with Mid-Westerners.  Then they could have an elected government in Baghdad that would get a little more respect, God damn it.  And get back to the business of pumping out all that bad oil that is endangering the delicate desert ecosystem.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2007, 09:46:54 AM by Michael Tee »

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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2007, 02:25:24 PM »
Someone enlighten me here. If we get out, then obviously the Sunnis and Shiite will be at each other's throats. And since Iran is more than willing to fund and train the Shiites in Iraq, they have the upper hand, especially since the more "moderate" states such as the Saudis who support the Sunnis are not as willing to support THEM.

Therefore, the logic follows that the Sunnis in Iraq should be trying for accommodation with the Shiites. And, not blowing up stuff, and people, in the process, thus hastening our exit. And yet ,that is not happening.

Duh. Am I missing something here?

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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2007, 02:42:59 PM »
Someone enlighten me here. If we get out, then obviously the Sunnis and Shiite will be at each other's throats. And since Iran is more than willing to fund and train the Shiites in Iraq, they have the upper hand, especially since the more "moderate" states such as the Saudis who support the Sunnis are not as willing to support THEM.

Therefore, the logic follows that the Sunnis in Iraq should be trying for accommodation with the Shiites. And, not blowing up stuff, and people, in the process, thus hastening our exit. And yet ,that is not happening.

Duh. Am I missing something here?

Yes you are. The Sunni's are tougher & smarter than  the Shit Moslems who whip themselves & cut their own heads ( & their babies heads) with swords.


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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2007, 02:57:55 PM »
<<Am I missing something here?>>

The Sunnis became a kind of elite - - relatively speaking - - they're more secular and less religious than the Shi'a.  In general, from what I can see, they're better educated.  They held power for a long time (the British also favoured them) which means they are really, really pissed off about losing power and they'll do whatever it takes to hold on - - kinda like the French settlers in Algeria or the white racists of the Deep South.  They are completely ruthless. 

The Shi'ites in general are a bunch of ignorant religious fanatics.  They haven't held power either in civil society or in the military, so the Sunni are much better organized.

IMHO, in the long run, the Sunni will win.  Another Saddam Hussein will rise to the top and hold it all together.  Even the U.S.A. in its attempt to set up a puppet government, did not go to the base of the Shi'ite population, but used some Western-educated secular Shi'ite flunky who had no real power base in his own community and in all probability was a witting or unwitting Iranian agent.  Their problem was similar to their initial problems in Viet Nam, i.e. they picked puppets who had no popular base and expected them to take over the reins.  Of course, if they stick with the Shi'ites, they have to rope in the religious ones, as they are the only ones with street cred.  But the religious ones are fanatics, hate America for good reason, and are closely tied to Iran.  They can go back to the Sunnis, pick out the new Saddam, and use him to keep the Iranians out, but these guys have long memories - - they won't forget the massacre of Fallujah or the tortures of Abu Ghraib, and they won't be any more willing than Saddam was to roll over and give the foreigners 90% of the oil revenues.  In short, they'll go back to what they had before the invasion, minus Saddam.  But not on Bush's watch, because then the waste and folly of the whole enterprise would be all too obvious, and the poor jerk could become the first President in history get lynched on the White House lawn.

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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2007, 03:23:21 PM »
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the Shit Moslems who whip themselves & cut their own heads ( & their babies heads) with swords

You are a font of tolerance and cultural understanding knute - *sigh*

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Am I missing something here?

Yes, Iran is willing to help the Shi'ites in Iraq and with good reason (well, from their point of view). Yet, it isn't all nefarious either. The Iraqi Shi'ites really have been a brutalized and oppressed people. In general the Shi'a Muslims in many Islamic nations are poorer and have little political clout. Iraq has been a more extreme example of this and for quite a long time as well.

On the other hand, I would not doubt Saudi Arabia's tenacity in aiding the Sunni resurgents, nor would I claim how "moderate" they really are. As an Islamic state, Saudi Arabia is rather conservative and has always shown a willingness to fund militant causes for which they believe. Kuwait and other Gulf States may as well.

I disagree with Tee though on the outcome. The Shi'ites aren't a "bunch of ignorant religious fanatics." They weren't in Iran either. Many of them are extremely intelligent and certainly more than capable of doing what needs to be done (from their point of view).

My guess is that the Shi'ites will reach a deal with the Kurds, possibly facilitated by Iran who has close ties to both. Basically they will leave one another alone. Without western nations militarily involved the Shi'ites will have numerical advantage and then they can fight this thing the way they know how. They can remember everything Saddam did to them. They can remember how the Sunni's lived relatively well, while they suffered in slums and were murdered in Basra. Then it is payback.

It'll be bloody hell for a while and probably make the Yugoslav Wars appear to have been almost civil. In the end I think the Shi'a "win." Maybe some UN force goes in after a few years or we have another refugee region in the Mideast.
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2007, 04:26:08 PM »
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"This bridge is linked to Baghdad's modern history - it is one of our famous monuments," said Haider Ghazala, a 52-year-old Iraqi architect.

"Attacking this bridge affects the morale of Iraqis and especially Baghdad residents who feel proud of this bridge. They (insurgents) want to demolish everything that connects the people with this land," he said.


Doesn't this guy have it right?


That the active principal in winning this contest is who cares the least for he people of Iraqis suffering?

In this contest will the USA loose the race to the bottom because we care more about these poor innocents than their brothers do?

Will the eventual winner be whoever is least weary of sheding innocent blood?
« Last Edit: April 12, 2007, 05:31:36 PM by Plane »

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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2007, 05:27:25 PM »
>>>Quote
the Shit Moslems who whip themselves & cut their own heads ( & their babies heads) with swords

You are a font of tolerance and cultural understanding knute - *sigh*<<<

I may be a font, but show me that I am wrong and I will stop calling them shits. Cutting one's babies head qualifies them for that term in itself.

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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2007, 07:22:52 PM »
<<Will the eventual winner be whoever is least weary of sheding innocent blood?>>

That would be the Sunni.  They're the much more bourgeois of the two, and their property rights are being threatened at the same time as their political dominance.  They're backed into a corner.  The Shi'a are more like the proles or the permanent underclass - - not only do they lack the organizational skills of the Sunni, but they're more resigned to remaining on the bottom rung than the Sunni are to losing their privileged position.  And they will get much more money from the other Sunni in the region (read, Saudi Arabia and Gulf Emirates) and ultimately the CIA than the Shi'a will get from Iran.  Even the U.S.A. before the moronic Dubya came into the picture knew enough to follow the British policy, back the Sunni and fuck the Shi'a.

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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2007, 12:28:19 AM »
<<Will the eventual winner be whoever is least weary of sheding innocent blood?>>

That would be the Sunni.  They're the much more bourgeois of the two, and their property rights are being threatened at the same time as their political dominance.  They're backed into a corner.  The Shi'a are more like the proles or the permanent underclass - - not only do they lack the organizational skills of the Sunni, but they're more resigned to remaining on the bottom rung than the Sunni are to losing their privileged position.  And they will get much more money from the other Sunni in the region (read, Saudi Arabia and Gulf Emirates) and ultimately the CIA than the Shi'a will get from Iran.  Even the U.S.A. before the moronic Dubya came into the picture knew enough to follow the British policy, back the Sunni and fuck the Shi'a.


So.............

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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2007, 12:33:03 AM »
I would really really like to know how the US is supposed to win an Iraqi civil war.

$200 million bucks per day, every day. How could the impossible goal of the US winning an Iraqi civil war be worth that much money?
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Re: Explosion Rocks Iraqi Parliament; 2 Dead
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2007, 12:52:33 AM »
XO

Since when has it been the stated goal of the US to win the Iraqi Civil War?