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Michael Tee

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Sharpton nailed it
« on: April 13, 2007, 09:27:04 AM »
<<"He says he wants to be forgiven," Sharpton said. "I hope he continues in that process. But we cannot afford a precedent established that the airways can commercialize and mainstream sexism and racism.">>

In other words, it's much bigger than Imus.

Two or three points I wanted to make:

By doing the right thing and canning this guy - - harshly and dramatically in the middle of his Telethon,  because the network recognized that it was a symbolic issue and had to be dealt with symbolically, the symbolism had to be right - - the network made the statement that racism and sexism were front-and-centre issues to the mainstream of the American people and instantly marginalized Imus' defenders who had variously claimed (a) this was NBD or (b) Imus could once again apologize and play-act his way through various acts of contrition and once again get his ticket stamped to continue spewing his venom over the public airwaves (a variation of the "NBD" justification) or (c), not really a defence, but a playing of the "hypocrisy" card, that "others" (always un-named) are all doing it too, or that rappers say worse.  Essentially the networks recognized the bogus nature of the latter "defence" and with regard to the first two, stated emphatically, (a) that this really IS a BFD, and (b) that in fact it's so big a deal that no apology can save his ass.

But aren't the networks really just responding to the sponsors who baled?  Partially, sure, but who are the sponsors responding to?  Slice it up any way you want motivationally, the bottom line is that a whole whack of commercially savvy and astute individuals in top-of-the-line positions seem to have taken a reading of America's soul (admittedly, not Mississippi's soul, not Alabama's soul) and determined that more folks than not just won't stand for this shit, that this can't be swept under the rug any more.  Like it or not, this is a milestone day for America (one among many of course, and far from the most significant one) and it's one to be celebrated, though not for the racists and closet racists who remain diehard Imus fans, and there are still way too many of them.  Nevertheless - - congratulations, America!

But isn't it all a big joke because rappers still rap and hip hoppers still hop?  Bullshit and nonsense.  Apples and oranges.  Rappers and hip-hoppers are performance artists, nothing more, nothing less.  They portray characters to an audience (which one survey says are mostly teenage suburban white males) which has equal access to slasher movies, hard- and soft-core porn and anything else the First Amendment guarantees and protects.  They DON'T have prime-time access to every American living room.  That's one umbrella they DON'T shelter under.  The fact that most of their performances are accessed in ways meant to prevent minors or unsuspecting adults from accidentally witnessing them imprints them with a message that these guys are so marginal that ONLY America's devotion to freedom of speech permits their work to be enjoyed at all.  And now Imus and his ilk are so categorized as well.

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Re: Sharpton nailed it
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2007, 11:14:10 AM »
But isn't it all a big joke because rappers still rap and hip hoppers still hop?  Bullshit and nonsense.  Apples and oranges.  Rappers and hip-hoppers are performance artists, nothing more, nothing less.

Then you and Sharpton disagree. I watched part of his press conference yesterday and he said the opposite - that rappers need to clean up their act as well.
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Re: Sharpton nailed it
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2007, 11:15:30 AM »
They DON'T have prime-time access to every American living room.  That's one umbrella they DON'T shelter under.  The fact that most of their performances are accessed in ways meant to prevent minors or unsuspecting adults from accidentally witnessing them imprints them with a message that these guys are so marginal that ONLY America's devotion to freedom of speech permits their work to be enjoyed at all.  And now Imus and his ilk are so categorized as well.

Imus has less access to "every American living room" than rappers do, so this point is flawed.
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Re: Sharpton nailed it
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2007, 11:26:46 AM »
<<Then you and Sharpton disagree. I watched part of his press conference yesterday and he said the opposite - that rappers need to clean up their act as well.>>

Sharpton and I probably disagree on a lot of things, but I still respect him.  In this particular matter, he's not calling for the rappers' heads, he's just found another way of saying he doesn't like what they have to say or the way they say it.  Tough shit. 

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Re: Sharpton nailed it
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2007, 11:33:07 AM »
In this particular matter, he's not calling for the rappers' heads, he's just found another way of saying he doesn't like what they have to say or the way they say it.  Tough shit. 

Actually, he is. He said that record companies need to drop artists that use the term "hoes" to refer to black females.
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Re: Sharpton nailed it
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2007, 11:33:49 AM »
MT, you fail to realize that ALL these folks, Imus, rappers and the like, ANYONE in the public eye, is a role model to younger people. As such, they all should be held to a higher standard. "To whom much is given, much is expected."

This applies to ALL public figures whether they are on the airwaves or sports figures.
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Re: Sharpton nailed it
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2007, 11:40:08 AM »
<<Imus has less access to "every American living room" than rappers do, so this point is flawed.>>

How you figure that?  Keeping in mind that I never watched or saw Imus before this, I still assume he had a radio show and a TV show or a spot commentating on televised games.  Further, that all of his TV appearances could come in on network TV in prime time to any American home.  I would think that hard-core rappers DON'T come into American homes on network TV in prime time, that if they come in at all it's by cable TV with plenty of options for people to keep them out.

Radio, of course, is just radio.  I guess anyone with a receiver can tune in anything out there.  Sorta like Howard Stern (who I've also never listened to, but at least nobody ever had to explain to me who Howard Stern was.)

So maybe, radio-wise, you're right.  Still, those rappers never picked out a bunch of innocent college girls by name and specifically insulted them and their families.  They've got more class than that.  And they are performers, entertainers, embodying a character, so they need a little more latitude.  They can't play tough street characters and go around calling everyone "sir" and "madam" and "miss."

The radio smackdown of Don Imus was important regardless of how he got into people's homes or heads, or how many he reached - - basically a statment that, No, the American people DON'T support this kind of shit, they (here, obviously speaking for most of them, not the Trent Lotts and Sen. Macacawitz's or their supporters) actually find it abhorrent.

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Re: Sharpton nailed it
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2007, 11:50:10 AM »
How you figure that?  Keeping in mind that I never watched or saw Imus before this, I still assume he had a radio show and a TV show or a spot commentating on televised games.

Don Imus had a syndicated radio show, which had outlets in 61 cities and an audience of 1.6 million. He was also simulcast on MSNBC which is a cable channel that is not carried by all cable systems, and is usually part of an "add on" package rather than being a base package.

Rappers, on the other hand, have radio outlets in every part of the US, plus broadcast television and cable / satellite.
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Re: Sharpton nailed it
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2007, 12:25:04 PM »
<<He [Sharpton] said that record companies need to drop artists that use the term "hoes" to refer to black females.>>

Then he went too far.  If you don't like their "music," then don't buy their records.  If Imus distributes his opinions the same way as the rappers distribute their opinions? impersonations? performances? then freedom of speech and expression are preserved and the "artists" (including Imus) are still marginalized - - although I don't really see the need to marginalize the rappers anyway, if you understand what they're really all about.

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Re: Sharpton nailed it
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2007, 12:27:02 PM »
If Imus distributes his opinions the same way as the rappers distribute their opinions? impersonations? performances? then freedom of speech and expression are preserved and the "artists" (including Imus) are still marginalized - - although I don't really see the need to marginalize the rappers anyway, if you understand what they're really all about.

I would argue that Imus, being a shock-jock, is as much a performer as any rapper.
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Re: Sharpton nailed it
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2007, 12:30:54 PM »
<<MT, you fail to realize that ALL these folks, Imus, rappers and the like, ANYONE in the public eye, is a role model to younger people. As such, they all should be held to a higher standard. "To whom much is given, much is expected.">>

I understand that to some people rappers are role models and I understand this is a problem.  I think it's a worse problem that Rambo and John Wayne are role models and this is a much bigger problem, in that it contributes to a culture of violence and war.  There's no doubt in my mind that some of the initial support and some of the residual support for the current war comes from attitudes learned from war movies, much more so than from attitudes learned from rappers.  But it's an inevitable consequence of free speech and freedom of artistic expression.  I don't want to censor John Wayne movies, Rambo movies  etc. and I don't want to censor rappers - - from what in America would be called First Amendment concerns.  That doesn't mean I approve of any of them as role models.  There has to be some room for parental guidance and it has to coexist with freedom of expression.  Uneasily, I guess.

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Re: Sharpton nailed it
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2007, 12:36:09 PM »
<<Rappers, on the other hand, have radio outlets in every part of the US, plus broadcast television and cable / satellite.>>

I kind of question the "broadcast television" outlet for rappers.  Is it only because I live in Canada?  I can't recall one instance of hardcore rappers with "bitch" and "ho" and cop-killing on any TV I've ever watched, although I'm sure that there are specialty TV cable packages that I could have purchased that would have allowed them in. 

I've seen lots of televised sports on any of which Imus could have been right in my living room.  And we certainly don't subscribe to any specialized sports channel.

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Re: Sharpton nailed it
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2007, 12:41:20 PM »
<<I would argue that Imus, being a shock-jock, is as much a performer as any rapper.>>

He's not all shock-jock all the time.  It's a part of his persona, but mostly he's a commentator, from what I understand.  Howard Stern, in contrast, is a shock-jock nearlly 100% of the time.

But even if you take Imus as a performer, his performance went way beyond any rapper, or any Howard Stern broadcast, that I ever heard of.

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Re: Sharpton nailed it
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2007, 12:44:01 PM »
I kind of question the "broadcast television" outlet for rappers.  Is it only because I live in Canada?

Possibly. Do you not get shows like "Soul Train" and the like up there? They're on broadcast TV in the US, and include many rap and hip-hop artists.

I've seen lots of televised sports on any of which Imus could have been right in my living room.

Why would a shock-jock that does a morning drive-time politics / comedy / talk show be on your living room TV while you're watching sports?
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Re: Sharpton nailed it
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2007, 12:44:51 PM »
It's a part of his persona, but mostly he's a commentator, from what I understand.

Then I believe that you "understand" incorrectly.
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