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Lanya

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Fantasy behind scandal
« on: April 15, 2007, 12:35:46 AM »
Editorial
The Fantasy Behind the Scandal

Published: April 15, 2007

The more we learn about the White House’s purge of United States attorneys, the more a single thread runs through it: the Bush administration’s campaign to transform the minor problem of voter fraud into a supposed national scourge.


When the public first learned about the firing of eight United States attorneys, administration officials piously declared that many of the prosecutors had ill served the public by failing to aggressively pursue voter fraud cases (against Democrats, naturally). But the more we examine this issue, the more ludicrous those claims seem.

Last week, we learned that the administration edited a government-ordered report on voter fraud to support its fantasy. The original version concluded that among experts “there is widespread but not unanimous agreement that there is little polling place fraud.” But the publicly released version said, “There is a great deal of debate on the pervasiveness of fraud.” It’s hard to see that as anything but a deliberate effort to mislead the public.

Sound familiar? In President Bush’s first term, a White House official, who had been the oil industry’s front man in trying to discredit the science of global warming, repeatedly edited government reports to play down links between climate change and greenhouse gases. And then there was the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, which turned reports on old, dubious and false tales about weapons of mass destruction into warnings of clear, present and supposedly mortal dangers.

It’s obvious why the Bush administration would edit those documents, but why the voting report? Because charges of voter fraud are a key component of the Republican electoral strategy. If the public believes there are rampant efforts to vote fraudulently, or to register voters improperly, it increases support for measures like special voter ID’s, which work against the poor, the elderly, minorities and other disenfranchised groups that tend to support Democrats. Claims of rampant voter fraud also give the administration an excuse to cut back prosecutions of the real problem: officials who block voters’ access to the polls.

There is one big catch, as Eric Lipton and Ian Urbina reported in The Times last week. After a five-year crackdown, the Justice Department has not turned up any evidence that voter fraud actually is a problem. Only 86 people were convicted of voter fraud crimes as of last year — most of them Democrats and many on trivial, trumped-up charges.

The Bush administration was so determined to pursue this phantom scourge that it deported a legal Florida resident back to his native Pakistan for mistakenly filling out a voter registration card when he renewed his driver’s license. And it may well have decided to fire most of the eight federal prosecutors because they would not play along.

It is vital that Congress get to the truth about these firings. Last week, the Republican National Committee threw up another roadblock, claiming it had lost four years’ worth of e-mail messages by Karl Rove that were sent on a Republican Party account. Those messages, officials admitted, could include some about the United States attorneys. It is virtually impossible to erase e-mail messages fully, and the claims that they are gone are not credible.

The only solution is to get these issues out into the open. It is good that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales will finally testify in the Senate this week. But Mr. Rove, who seems to be at the heart of this affair, should also be required to testify under oath — and in public. Even the Wizard of Oz eventually came out from behind the curtain.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/15/opinion/15sun1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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Re: Fantasy behind scandal
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2007, 12:53:44 AM »
I think it equally important that voter fraud be treated as a serious offense.

Do you disagree?

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Re: Fantasy behind scandal
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2007, 12:54:32 AM »
There is one big catch, as Eric Lipton and Ian Urbina reported in The Times last week. After a five-year crackdown, the Justice Department has not turned up any evidence that voter fraud actually is a problem. Only 86 people were convicted of voter fraud crimes as of last year — most of them Democrats and many on trivial, trumped-up charges.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/15/opinion/15sun1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

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http://blog.zmag.org/ee_links/more_stimulating_statistics_on_voting_fraud_in_americas_2004_election
".... the act of voting, the last symbolic vestige of popular participation in government, has been seriously compromised, delivering the last death-blow to American democracy."



It doesn't add up , big problm or no big deal ?


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Re: Fantasy behind scandal
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2007, 01:24:09 PM »
<<It doesn't add up , big problm or no big deal ?>>

How are 86 cases of voter fraud in a federal election a big deal?  Can't you count?  They're a drop in the bucket.

At the same time there are thousands upon thousands of cases of defective voting machines in black areas, and suppression of black voters particularly in the Florida elections of 2000.  MUCH bigger deal.

Why the disproportionate effort aimed at the almost non-existent "voter fraud?"

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Re: Fantasy behind scandal
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2007, 01:55:11 PM »
Michael, those were 86 Democratic fraudulent votes.  They're much bigger and scarier than nice clean normal Republican voter fraud.   You should know this by now.
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Re: Fantasy behind scandal
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2007, 02:00:08 PM »
Ooops, my bad.  Shoulda known.  Thanks, Lanya.  I stand corrected.

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Re: Fantasy behind scandal
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2007, 02:28:36 PM »
Google ACORN and democrat and see what you find. Then come back and tell us how voter fraud is overblown.


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Re: Fantasy behind scandal
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2007, 03:23:44 PM »
<<Google ACORN and democrat and see what you find. Then come back and tell us how voter fraud is overblown. >>

I googled and saw a whole lot of overblown hysterical hullaballoo about ACORN's evil deeds, next to nothing from any solid reportorial or judicial sources that could actually confirm actual frauds in any significant number.  Nothing close to the voter suppression that "won" Bush the 2000 and 2004 elections.

Point me to one serious article that says otherwise.

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Re: Fantasy behind scandal
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2007, 03:34:04 PM »
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Nothing close to the voter suppression that "won" Bush the 2000 and 2004 elections.

What charges and convictions were the results of this claim?

And if you are caught doing 65 in a 35mph zone it doesn't matter that someone else once upon a time was clocked doing 70.

It matters that you broke the law.

Please don't legitimize efforts at voter fraud by saying so and so allegedly tried to suppress the poor negroes vote even assuming that the poor Negro would even allow their rights to be abrogated and needs their white betters to fight their fights for them.

Do you eve realize how racist your arguments are?


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Re: Fantasy behind scandal
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2007, 10:12:34 PM »
His arguments aren't racist.  Having fewer voting machines in a crowded largely black polling place, or at a college voting area,  than in a mostly white suburban polling place is racist, and it happened.  Not a lot anyone standing in line can do, especially if they have to get back to work/school  or pick up children from school.  Some people here in Ohio waited for hours and hours. 
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Re: Fantasy behind scandal
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2007, 10:21:39 PM »
Only eighty six cases prosecuted is hardly the problem , thousands of unprosicuted cases are the problem.

A prosecutor who doesn't take this seriously ought to be fired.


Voter fraud ought to draw a term for the offender in prison equal to the number of years the office is filled till the next election , multiplied by the number of votes faked.


If things are as they sometimes appear there would be tens of thousands of Democrats in jail for four years or eight , and the president's of Diebold would be jailed for an eon.
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Re: Fantasy behind scandal
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2007, 09:52:00 AM »
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Having fewer voting machines in a crowded largely black polling place, or at a college voting area,  than in a mostly white suburban polling place is racist, and it happened.

Who controls the local election board in Cleveland and or Atlanta. Because those are the folks who place the machines.

It is simple to say Bush did this, but it is also equally ignorant.


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Re: Fantasy behind scandal
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2007, 05:28:05 PM »

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Re: Fantasy behind scandal
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2007, 05:32:28 PM »
Who controls the local election board in Cleveland and or Atlanta. Because those are the folks who place the machines.

Logic doesn't really play a part in this, does it?
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