HAVA

[Plane]

http://rpc.senate.gov/_files/Feb1504VoterFraudSD.pdf


Congress should require that voters at the polls show photo identification.

[Michael Tee]

How come this project is so focused on voter fraud and says nothing about voter suppression?  The Florida election was "won" by Bush in 2000 because of widespread suppression of the black vote, as is well documented in articles such as the Vanity Fair article by three experienced investigative reporters which Lanya found for this group.  There was no indication that I am aware of that voter fraud played any part in that Florida election.

The article itself admitted that no significant voter fraud has been encountered so far in any Federal election campaign.  Why not fix the real problems that DID crop up and allow Bush to steal the vote twice in a row:  black voter suppression and defective voting machinery  installed in Democratic areas?

Why make voters get photo ID that they don't now have?  Why not just restore the poll tax?  That oughtta do the trick.

<<And if Congress is to appropriate any money to states for federal elections, it should require that a portion of that
money be spent so that there are no financial barriers to any citizens who genuinely cannot afford . . . >>

LMFAO - - now the ghetto dwellers can hire lawyers to fill out complex government forms proving not only that they "can't afford" the cost of photo ID, but that they "genuinely" can't afford it, and fight their way through a thicket of denials, appeals, further appeals and so on, only to be told at the end of the process, "Yes, you qualify for free photos; go to 12350 West Bluffside Parkway between the hours of 2:30 PM and 3:10 PM  on any odd-numbered Thursday of the month and then you can sit for your photo, which you can pick up a week later on any odd-numbered Tuesday of the month between the hours of 7:00 and 7:43 AM."

This thing is brilliant.  Even BETTER than a poll tax.  I'll bet every Republican in Congress will vote for it.  It's the gift that never stops giving - - even at the polls, "That's not you.  That's not your picture.  And how'd I know even if it was?  All you people look the same to me anyway."  Help America Vote, my ass!  It's the Help Black America Not Vote Act, the HBANVA.

[BT]

The purpose of photo id's is to eliminate fraud at the polls.

Sounds like that is not a priority with you.

And since when are blacks less capable of filling out forms than whites.

What a pile of paternalistic crap.

[Michael Tee]

<<The purpose of photo id's is to eliminate fraud at the polls. >>

What a joke.  To solve a problem that doesn't exist, they create a solution that effectively puts a thousand yards of red tape between a black man and his vote.

<<Sounds like that is not a priority with you. >>

What, robbing blacks of their votes isn't a priority with me?  Why should it be?  Too bad it is with you.

<<And since when are blacks less capable of filling out forms than whites. >>

Being economically disadvantaged, they are much less likely to have photo ID than whites - - a point that the very article you posted has acknowledged.  It isn't a question of less capable, it's a question of how many obstacles they are forced to wade through, just to vote.  The proposed "solution" to the non-existent "problem" is in reality the creation of a whole obstacle course for black voters, only the first step of which is the filling out of the forms.  As the Florida election has proven, even a simple ballot can be made confusing and incomprehensible to blacks, poor seniors, or anyone else likely to vote Democratic, why expect good old Republican ingenuity to limit itself to the design of ballots, think what they could do with an actual government form.

<<What a pile of paternalistic crap. >>

Now it's "paternalistic" to object to Republican efforts to disenfranchise the blacks.  I'll bet the same bullshit argument was raised in the Sixties, it was ":paternalistic" for whites to join in the Civil Rights movement.  You guys are hilarious, as if anyone over the age of thirteen could ever fall for your manipulative, intimidating form of "argument."  As if a blind man couldn't see through it.

[Amianthus]

What a joke.  To solve a problem that doesn't exist, they create a solution that effectively puts a thousand yards of red tape between a black man and his vote.

A photo id is a "thousand yards of red tape"? Especially when they're free?

[BT]

the Florida election has proven, even a simple ballot can be made confusing and incomprehensible to blacks, poor seniors, or anyone else likely to vote Democratic, why expect good old Republican ingenuity to limit itself to the design of ballots, think what they could do with an actual government form.

The ballot in question in Florida was designed by a democrat. let's put that urban revision of history to rest.

[Xavier_Onassis]

A photo id is a "thousand yards of red tape"? Especially when they're free?
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What sort of photo ID do you get for free?

In Florida, a driver's license costs around $100 to get, plus you have to take an exam.

There is an alternative type of ID that goes for around $30.00, but most people don't know how to get one.

Passports are even more expensive.

Most of the people who don't drive over 21 in FL have lost their driver's license due to either a bad driving record or a failure to produce registration and/or a proof of insurance when stopped.

They are more like;ly to stop a Black person or a poor person with an old and possibly unsafe car.

The net result is that if a photo ID (as opposed to the voter reg card, which has no photo on it) is required, it will benefit the wealthier over the poor, the Black, and the more recently arrived citizens, and will benefit the GOP. The GOP knows this, and hence favors a requirement for a photo ID.

The Democrats also know this, and don't.

[Plane]

A photo id is a "thousand yards of red tape"? Especially when they're free?
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What sort of photo ID do you get for free?

In Florida, a driver's license costs around $100 to get, plus you have to take an exam.

There is an alternative type of ID that goes for around $30.00, but most people don't know how to get one.

Passports are even more expensive.

Most of the people who don't drive over 21 in FL have lost their driver's license due to either a bad driving record or a failure to produce registration and/or a proof of insurance when stopped.

They are more like;ly to stop a Black person or a poor person with an old and possibly unsafe car.

The net result is that if a photo ID (as opposed to the voter reg card, which has no photo on it) is required, it will benefit the wealthier over the poor, the Black, and the more recently arrived citizens, and will benefit the GOP. The GOP knows this, and hence favors a requirement for a photo ID.

The Democrats also know this, and don't.

This is not the truth.

The Georgia law included ID's for free and traveling vans that could bring the ID makeing resorce to the nighborhoods where they might be needed.


The truth is that Democrats depend more on cheating that Republicans do , so anti cheating laws are seen as anti -Democrat.



You seem to be saying  that  black people are commonly illiterate , or do you mean stupid?

Get thee behind me O thou Imus.

[Amianthus]

What sort of photo ID do you get for free?

The Georgia law recently proposed eliminated the fee for photo ids for people of low income.

In Florida, a driver's license costs around $100 to get, plus you have to take an exam.

There is an alternative type of ID that goes for around $30.00, but most people don't know how to get one.

I just checked the Florida website - "pedestrian licenses" (plain photo ids) cost $3, and driver's licenses cost $20, $50 for CDLs.

http://www.hsmv.state.fl.us/ddl/geninfo.html#6

[Xavier_Onassis]

To get a FL driver's license, you have to pass an alcohol and drug exam, and that costs more than $20.

$3 isn't free, either.

[Plane]

To get a FL driver's license, you have to pass an alcohol and drug exam, and that costs more than $20.

$3 isn't free, either.

Free is free , the Georgiaproposal was for a fee free ID.

[Amianthus]

To get a FL driver's license, you have to pass an alcohol and drug exam, and that costs more than $20.

According to the state's webstire that I linked, that is only required for drivers under 18 - and if you're under 18, you can't vote ayway. Besides, $20 + $20 isn't "around $100."

$3 isn't free, either.

What part of "The Georgia law recently proposed eliminated the fee for photo ids for people of low income," did you not understand?

[Michael Tee]

<<What part of "The Georgia law recently proposed eliminated the fee for photo ids for people of low income," did you not understand?>>

The part that wasn't quoted - - - how the poor go about proving that they are "people of low income."  The forms they gotta fill out.  The challenges those forms will receive.  The number of attendances required - - get the forms, bring 'em back filled out, go for the photo, bring other ID when you get the photo taken, go home because you didn't know other ID would be required, come back and get the photo.

And that's just the start.  Bring your photo to the polling booth.  Hey, Billy Bob this nigger here claims he's the same nigger in this here picture.  More hassles, more obstruction.

Believe me, the Republican Party knows what it's doing.  To solve a non-existent problem, a golden opportunity arised to put more obstacles in the way between black people and the polling booth.  A stroke of pure genius.

[Amianthus]

The part that wasn't quoted - - - how the poor go about proving that they are "people of low income."  The forms they gotta fill out.  The challenges those forms will receive.  The number of attendances required - - get the forms, bring 'em back filled out, go for the photo, bring other ID when you get the photo taken, go home because you didn't know other ID would be required, come back and get the photo.

I guess you missed that part about the mobile id vans that would go through the areas where low income people lived and help them get their ids?

Believe me, the Republican Party knows what it's doing.  To solve a non-existent problem, a golden opportunity arised to put more obstacles in the way between black people and the polling booth.  A stroke of pure genius.

Non-existant?

There were thousands of people in Maryland a few years ago that got out of their graves to vote for the Democratic candidate for governor, then calmly got back into their graves.

I think requiring an id would have solved that problem.

[Michael Tee]

<<There were thousands of people in Maryland a few years ago that got out of their graves to vote for the Democratic candidate for governor, then calmly got back into their graves.>>

Never heard of it.  But even if it happened, it's one isolated incident, whereas Republican suppression of black votes is massive, constant and ROUTINELY deprives tens of thousands of their votes, election after election.