Fewer Guns, Fewer Deaths

[sirs]

I've read stories in the past Domer, that took #'s and demonstrated the far more lives saved by gun, even when its simply brandished, vs those lost to gun violence

[domer]

I challenge you, Sirs, to turn your "stories" into hard data upon which a rational poicy can be based. You are aware, I'm sure, that anecdotal evidence is suspect.

[modestyblase]

To proceed mens rea in legislating potential actus reus is not a good thing, and its subsequent causation would be even worse. Vicarious liability is not something I-or anyone else-should burden.

[domer]

Modesty, your last contribution is sheer "nonsense," as in it doesn't make any sense.

[sirs]

I challenge you, Sirs, to turn your "stories" into hard data upon which a rational poicy can be based. You are aware, I'm sure, that anecdotal evidence is suspect.

When i get a chance, if Ami or H haven't already done so, I'll endeavor to come across some reports/books, so you can then begin demeaning and castigating the authors and researchers of those reports, properly

[The_Professor]

Domer: "The claim that gun control cedes "freedom" is a cockamammy notion "

Inaccurate. If I must register any weapon, then that means that those in authority can know I have this weapon. I find this position untenable as I fear the possible motives of these authorities. Abusive authorities could theroetically look up all gun owners and tell us to turn them in, arrest us or whatever.

[domer]

"Motices" aside, I was making a comparative statement about all the encroachments on our freedom that life in an advanced, civilized society entails. Rest assured, however, that I feel your pain.

[modestyblase]

 
But I do so love legalese!
To proceed with a guilty mind in legislating potential guilty acts is not a good thing.

[domer]

Oh, Christ; you haven't even graduated to "lame" from "nonsenssical."

[modestyblase]

At least I haven't broken out affirmative defenses!     

[domer]

Touche.

[kimba1]

The safest neighborhoods I ever lived in in the US had a high gun ownership rate. We could hear the nightly gunfire from the projects (inside city limits where gun ownership was more restricted) but never even had a breakin in our neighborhood.

I spent a week in black hawthorne lane it is one of thee safest places I know.
and very few people own guns there
but I was nervous being there.
I was virtually thee only non-white person there.
I have never had soo many patrol cars follow me in my life.
temp work can be soo unpleasent.

[Religious Dick]

a historian-friend of mine who has researched the matter claims that gun ownership at founding was sparse, due to cost.

Unfortunately your "friend's" claims have been thouroughly discredited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arming_America%2C_The_Origins_of_a_National_Gun_Culture

That said, this is a right that must be earned and should be severely regulated.

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

I also offer, for your further consideration, a news account from last year of a rejected bill which would have allowed the students at U of Virginia to have carried concealed firearms.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658

How many deaths do you think could have avoided if even one of the murdered students had been carrying a concealed handgun?

[domer]

First off, don't cite me Wikipedia for a principled, conceptual orientation to a matter of policy, much less for reliable data bearing on the matter. Second, "shall not be infringed," in the context I have surveyed, contemplatees infringement. Machine guns, for example? Assault weapons? Concealed carry? And so on and on. Finally, your suggestion to arm the entire populace for safety's sake is patentlyy absurd and doesn't warrant a response.

[sirs]

This personal use, I argue, gives an important key to understanding the controverted language of the Second Amendment.  That said, this is a right that must be earned and should be severely regulated.

Why stop at the 2nd?  Let's severely regulate the entire Bill of Rights, starting with the 1st.  What do you propose, domer?