Cho's home video, Knute's prediction

[Mucho]

If he had wanted to join the military , he would have had to straighten up a lot.


I think it is very revealing on you that you think that this guy is a military type.


He seem more like the sort of guy that can't take orders at all.

Well, I can tell you from personal experience that the finest fighting force on the planet, the United States Marine Corps, would NOT have accepted him!

You have to have a little Cho in you to want to be a Marine. I worked & lived with these lunatics for 3 years & I know.

[Plane]

The Marines are definately not for everyone , I was in the Navy myself and I don't think I would have been a good Marine .

This doesn't keep me from haveing a profound respect for people willing to devote so much of themselves to such a disagreeable task, the sprit of the warrior is not violence , it is being willing to do what is understood to be necessacery even if it is difficult , dangerous or unrewarding.

One seldome sees people willing to sacrifice themselves for the sake of their freinds as the USMC are nearly all willing to do.

[Mucho]

This is one of the major things that proves how sick they are. This is a completely unnatural & perverted act.

>>One seldome sees people willing to sacrifice themselves for the sake of their freinds as the USMC are nearly all willing to do.<<

[Amianthus]

This is a completely unnatural & perverted act.

Only for those who think only of themselves.

Even animals are willing to sacrifice themselves to save their group.

Guess Knutty doesn't even get up to the level of "animal."

[Michael Tee]

MT:  <<All I meant was that he and the military worship at the same shrine and drink from the same well.  Your country is in love with violence - - not only as the solution to all problems, but as an end in itself.  You not only revel in the awesome destructive powers of the military, but even fantasize about how much more destructive it could be.>>


plane:  <<I still do not agree with your premise.

<<The US has had the power to end life on earth for fourty years , more power is not the aim .>>

You're not talking about the same thing I'm talking about.  I'm talking about a culture of violence - - the adulation shown to the military, the love of parades, the image of the warrior from a thousand films and TV shows and posters and computer games - - it's a pervasive influence in the culture.  You are talking about power in the abstract sense, what weapons the U.S. has to blow up the world by pushing buttons.  Rambo doesn't push buttons, his violence is up close and personal, shoots people with his own gun, lays explosives with his own hands.  THAT'S the cult of death and violence.  When you see a military funeral with all the pomp and ceremony, that's not an atom bomb in the casket, that's the "fallen hero" that is being saluted, an individual, a dead Rambo who found his movie ended a little differently than the Hollywood version.

<<For quite a while the military has been intensely interested in more finely directed power , getting more done with less, that is why we have a military 30% smaller than fifteen years ago. This idea was central to the changes Rumsfeild wanted.>>

When was the last time you saw a teenage white male dressed up like a Rumsfeld wannabe, fantasizing about making cuts to the military and getting more done with less?  You're talking about executive decisions made by adults in the real world, albeit immoral charlatan adults.  I'm talking about the kind of popular culture that allows the Rumsfelds and the Bushes to get away with their war crimes and atrocities in the first place.

[Amianthus]

the adulation shown to the military, the love of parades, the image of the warrior from a thousand films and TV shows and posters and computer games

Sounds like the Soviet Union or North Korea to me.

[Plane]

MT:  <<All I meant was that he and the military worship at the same shrine and drink from the same well.  Your country is in love with violence - - not only as the solution to all problems, but as an end in itself.  You not only revel in the awesome destructive powers of the military, but even fantasize about how much more destructive it could be.>>


plane:  <<I still do not agree with your premise.

<<The US has had the power to end life on earth for fourty years , more power is not the aim .>>

You're not talking about the same thing I'm talking about.  I'm talking about a culture of violence - - the adulation shown to the military, the love of parades, the image of the warrior from a thousand films and TV shows and posters and computer games - - it's a pervasive influence in the culture.  You are talking about power in the abstract sense, what weapons the U.S. has to blow up the world by pushing buttons.  Rambo doesn't push buttons, his violence is up close and personal, shoots people with his own gun, lays explosives with his own hands.  THAT'S the cult of death and violence.  When you see a military funeral with all the pomp and ceremony, that's not an atom bomb in the casket, that's the "fallen hero" that is being saluted, an individual, a dead Rambo who found his movie ended a little differently than the Hollywood version.

<<For quite a while the military has been intensely interested in more finely directed power , getting more done with less, that is why we have a military 30% smaller than fifteen years ago. This idea was central to the changes Rumsfeild wanted.>>

When was the last time you saw a teenage white male dressed up like a Rumsfeld wannabe, fantasizing about making cuts to the military and getting more done with less?  You're talking about executive decisions made by adults in the real world, albeit immoral charlatan adults.  I'm talking about the kind of popular culture that allows the Rumsfelds and the Bushes to get away with their war crimes and atrocities in the first place.

Canada must be very diffrent .

Does Mattell sell GI Joe much there?

[Michael Tee]

<<Sounds like the Soviet Union or North Korea to me.>>

I think the difference is the Rambo cult is more individualistic, also the concept of elite killer units like the Delta Force, Navy SEALS, etc. where the emphasis is on getting into the enemy's heartland in small groups and one-on-one killing.  Something that emphasizes and glorifies the sadism, the blood lust of taking a human life with a knife or a garotte.  The big Communist parades emphasize by contrast the massed forces of the nation, it's a group that is obviously prepared to repel other large groups in more conventional combat situations.  No Rambos.

[Amianthus]

I think the difference is the Rambo cult is more individualistic, also the concept of elite killer units like the Delta Force, Navy SEALS, etc. where the emphasis is on getting into the enemy's heartland in small groups and one-on-one killing. Something that emphasizes and glorifies the sadism, the blood lust of taking a human life with a knife or a garotte.

Google Spetsnaz.

Remember Vympel?

[Michael Tee]

<<Google Spetsnaz.>>

Not being a Russian culture expert, I don't know to what extent Spetsnaz or OMON are heros to Russia's youth, but the most your example would prove (if it proves anything) is that America is not the only culture dominated by a death cult.  I'm sure both Serbia and Croatia have similar problems too.

<<Remember Vympel?>>

'Fraid not.  Sorry.

[Amianthus]

<<Remember Vympel?>>

'Fraid not.  Sorry.

One of the Soviet military's spec ops units, "where the emphasis is on getting into the enemy's heartland in small groups and one-on-one killing.  Something that emphasizes and glorifies the sadism, the blood lust of taking a human life with a knife or a garotte."

You know, the type of thing only Americans do?

[Brassmask]

I know what kind of response this is going to get but I'll go into it anyway.

There are several odd indicators for conspiracy types with this whole thing at VT.

First of all, there was a lot of stuff hitting the fan on Monday.  Kucinich had planned to announce that he was submitting articles for impeachment against Cheney.  That got put on hold till next week.

Secondly, Gonzales got an extra couple of days to cram for his bullshit-shoveling session.

NBC, a known stake-holder in the whole Iraq invasion (owned by GE, military contractor extraordinaire) is the network running the most coverage of the aftermath and they, oh so conveniently happen to be the network that Cho takes a break from his killing spree to drop a line to?  And what do you know?  Turns out, he's a lone nut.  He even alludes to Harris and Kleibold.  Just like them and oh so familiar to everyone.  And now, nearly all of America is NOT tuned into the Attorney General's flashfry, they're in mourning and paying tribute to the VT people. 

(Not saying that they don't deserve mourning.  It's horrible what happened and I'm a little distraught over it.  However, no one can deny the [YET AGAIN!] uncanny timing of tragedy distracting the nation from Bush and the Cult having their nuts in a vice.)

So, with this we only have a vague, sort-of-nutty sounding moonbat idea in Brass' head again.

But let's add a little more to it...

http://cryptogon.com/?p=636

Do you dare?

[Plane]

<<Sounds like the Soviet Union or North Korea to me.>>

I think the difference is the Rambo cult is more individualistic, also the concept of elite killer units like the Delta Force, Navy SEALS, etc. where the emphasis is on getting into the enemy's heartland in small groups and one-on-one killing.  Something that emphasizes and glorifies the sadism, the blood lust of taking a human life with a knife or a garotte.  The big Communist parades emphasize by contrast the massed forces of the nation, it's a group that is obviously prepared to repel other large groups in more conventional combat situations.  No Rambos.

The Soviet Union had Stalin and North Korea has Kim ,these are leaders whgo require worship of their superior selves  , Imperial Japan was not as bad.

In the Regime of Hitler soldiers were sworn into the army with an oath of loyalty to Hitler himself, as if Hitler was himself Germany .


I prefer Rambo .   (though I thought the Movies were so unrealistic they were rediculous )

A better movie in the genre of heroism would be "the magnificent seven" which is a remake of an old Japaneese movie , the Japaneese have made a lot of movies like that.

[Universe Prince]

I'm talking about a culture of violence - - the adulation shown to the military, the love of parades, the image of the warrior from a thousand films and TV shows and posters and computer games - - it's a pervasive influence in the culture.

The adulation shown to the military? Pooh yi. How many anti-war movies have been made by American film companies? You want to know what is pervasive in America to an almost sickening degree? Romantic comedies. There are, I think ( I don't subscribe so I'm not sure), 7-10 porno channels available on most cable and satellite television systems, and so far as I know, there is only one channel that is specifically about the military, and that is a relatively recent newcomer. Oh, and have you heard about the person who showed up for jury duty in a Star Trek uniform because the person believed in the ideals of Starfleet? There are a lot of widely varied cultural influences in this country, and while there may be many things to criticize about American culture (whatever that is), there is no overriding tendency toward violence here. People are not out killing each other, trying to be Rambo. Yes, there are violence issues in this country, but most people here, if not the vast majority, go out in public without a gun and without thinking about killing anyone. So this notion that America is some sort of culture of violence where everyone worships the military, guns and death, it's a stupid and ignorant notion.

When you see a military funeral with all the pomp and ceremony, that's not an atom bomb in the casket, that's the "fallen hero" that is being saluted, an individual, a dead Rambo who found his movie ended a little differently than the Hollywood version.

That is not only stupid, it's a slap in the face of people who had to be at a military funeral because their family member was the one in the casket. You use the word 'individual', but you're not treating them like individuals. You're talking as if the only reason to join the military is to be Rambo. You make no allowance for the possibility of other reasons, and so you insult by suggesting that any military funeral is only a show for the death of some deluded person who wanted to be Rambo. There is nothing about your argument that is not ignorant and insensitive, and that is putting it politely.

[Plane]

I know what kind of response this is going to get but I'll go into it anyway.

There are several odd indicators for conspiracy types with this whole thing at VT.

First of all, there was a lot of stuff hitting the fan on Monday.  Kucinich had planned to announce that he was submitting articles for impeachment against Cheney.  That got put on hold till next week.

Secondly, Gonzales got an extra couple of days to cram for his bullshit-shoveling session.

NBC, a known stake-holder in the whole Iraq invasion (owned by GE, military contractor extraordinaire) is the network running the most coverage of the aftermath and they, oh so conveniently happen to be the network that Cho takes a break from his killing spree to drop a line to?  And what do you know?  Turns out, he's a lone nut.  He even alludes to Harris and Kleibold.  Just like them and oh so familiar to everyone.  And now, nearly all of America is NOT tuned into the Attorney General's flashfry, they're in mourning and paying tribute to the VT people. 

(Not saying that they don't deserve mourning.  It's horrible what happened and I'm a little distraught over it.  However, no one can deny the [YET AGAIN!] uncanny timing of tragedy distracting the nation from Bush and the Cult having their nuts in a vice.)

So, with this we only have a vague, sort-of-nutty sounding moonbat idea in Brass' head again.

But let's add a little more to it...

http://cryptogon.com/?p=636

Do you dare?

Does a single day go by in which no one is loudly making accusation against the Bush Administration?

How could any event not conflict with a constant cacophony?