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Plane

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Re: Probably the Most Practical Reason Why the U.S. Shouldn't Torture
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2007, 04:09:32 PM »
<< . . .  and the law is more strict.>>

Yeah.  As evidenced by five months being the highest sentence the Human Rights First probe could find for prisoner abuse and Granger's several years for torture and murder.  If that's what you call more strict, I'd hate to see what you call more lax.




Exactly , during WWII not a single month of stockade time was served for mistreating a prisoner , I will grant you that we have changed a little since we banned God from school but have we really changed that much for the worse?

I don't think so , I think that in this day and time Seargent York would have earned a reprimand for the dicipline he applied to his captives.

Michael Tee

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Re: Probably the Most Practical Reason Why the U.S. Shouldn't Torture
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2007, 08:53:40 PM »
<<Exactly , during WWII not a single month of stockade time was served for mistreating a prisoner >>

And you get this information from where, exactly? 

I would say the absence of punishment (if indeed that's what it is) would indicate either a total lack of offences or more likely the relatively trivial nature (punches and kicks) of the offences.  The fact of the matter is that after 62 years, not a single allegation of torture has emerged against U.S. forces in WWII, compared with the hundreds that surfaced in Viet Nam and Iraq.  Ditto for massacres of civilians.  There is no My Lai massacre or Falluja in WWII.

 <<I will grant you that we have changed a little since we banned God from school but have we really changed that much for the worse?>>

Too bad you can't ask the victims themselves.  Compare the experiences of the German POWS in WWII with the experiences of the Arabs and Vietnamese tortured to death in U.S. prison camps in Viet Nam, Iraq and elsewhere.  You can't find a single Nazi with an Abu Ghraib story to relate.  And there were millions of the bastards.  When you find some G.I. who confessed to tossing Nazis out of a flying helicopter, let me know.

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Re: Probably the Most Practical Reason Why the U.S. Shouldn't Torture
« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2007, 12:44:13 AM »
U.S. Forces Free 42 Iraqi Prisoners at Al Qaeda Camp
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 9:37 p.m. ET

BAGHDAD (AP) -- American forces freed 42 kidnapped Iraqis -- some of whom had been hung from ceilings and tortured for months -- in a raid Sunday on an al-Qaida hideout north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Iraq.html?ei=5070&en=3fbf3292ea213071&ex=1180929600&emc=eta1&pagewanted=print

Michael Tee

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Re: Probably the Most Practical Reason Why the U.S. Shouldn't Torture
« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2007, 12:51:07 AM »
<<BAGHDAD (AP) -- American forces freed 42 kidnapped Iraqis -- some of whom had been hung from ceilings and tortured for months -- in a raid Sunday on an al-Qaida hideout north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.>>

They're the bad guys so the U.S. Army must be the good guys?

Since they both torture, makes more sense to say they're both the bad guys.

I'll freely agree that at this point, the al Qaeda appear to be the worse of the two.  However, nobody's seen the 90% of Abu Ghraib photos and videos that the Pentagon is still keeping the lid on and nobody knows what's going on in the secret torture chambers to which the U.S. "renders" prisoners for torture.  Whereas the Pentagon makes sure that every single evil deed of the al Qaeda forces gets maximum publicity, while they cover up their own crimes as best they can.

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Re: Probably the Most Practical Reason Why the U.S. Shouldn't Torture
« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2007, 01:01:27 AM »
Mikey,

Just be happy for the 42 Iraqi's.

How about that?

Michael Tee

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Re: Probably the Most Practical Reason Why the U.S. Shouldn't Torture
« Reply #50 on: May 28, 2007, 01:21:32 AM »
Not as happy as THEY gotta be!

You have a point there, BT.  42 guys saved from a fate you don't even want to think about.