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Re: US Army: American "media" are a threat to the nation
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2007, 10:28:55 PM »
Interesting.  I sorta feel that the way to Amerikan fascism is made up of thousands of little steps.  This is one of them.

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Re: US Army: American "media" are a threat to the nation
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2007, 10:32:28 PM »
Nothing like misreading something and making a mountain out of it.

Media can be a threat to operational security.

Don't know why that is such a shocker.
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Re: US Army: American "media" are a threat to the nation
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2007, 10:43:18 PM »
<<Nothing like misreading something and making a mountain out of it.>>

Maybe you're the one who misread it.  The threat isn't only to publishing threats to operational security, it's to reporters digging for stories whose digging might uncover information that, if published, would threaten operational security.

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Re: US Army: American "media" are a threat to the nation
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2007, 10:50:15 PM »
Maybe you're the one who misread it.  The threat isn't only to publishing threats to operational security, it's to reporters digging for stories whose digging might uncover information that, if published, would threaten operational security.

From the blog:

"'Sensitive' information is defined here (at section 1-5(c)(3)(e)) to include not just vital details of military operations and technologies but also documents marked 'For Official Use Only' (FOUO) that may be exempt from disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act."
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Re: US Army: American "media" are a threat to the nation
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2007, 11:12:28 PM »
Rarely if ever does a reporter know what he's going to get when he asks a question.  Digging into a story is not criminal even if it discloses information that if published would jeopardize the mission.  The publication of secret information is already criminalized - - this new army initiative seeks to criminalize the digging itself.

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Re: US Army: American "media" are a threat to the nation
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2007, 11:44:04 PM »
Nothing like misreading something and making a mountain out of it.

Media can be a threat to operational security.

Don't know why that is such a shocker.



Indeed, concentrating specifically on where that line is drawn--between an actual threat to national security and a utility threat for political gain--would end most misreadings.

Trouble is, examining that line seems to be a part of what the military would be most against.

An honorably oversighted system to correctly ascertain a need for security would be entirely possible, since it is only a matter of inflicted discipline, but the military would fall apart overnight, so is its dependence on being able to hide behind this huge, univeral con job--"classified."

People tend to forget that it was the Washington Post that saved America from the first go round of a fascist seizing of America, and not any other warrior on the landscape.  It wasn't the Democrats that brought Nixon down, and given their own devises, never would have.  You had mostly the same then as you have now--John Kerry is Joe Biden is Joe Lieberman is Dan Quayle is Bernie Kerick is we are the hollow men, we are the stuffed men, leaning together . . .

The American Press and Media should be all over this, covering the circumstances of journalists and media deaths, and standing together here at home in directly attacking the military and its stonewalling arrogance, its brutish bullyism.

The way it works in America is that the press can go after the military, but the military can not go after the press.  Sorry, but that's how it works in a democracy.  In fascists countries, the press is controlled.

The military is not an institution that some should own to use against the majority of innocents.  

Nor is it one that should pretend that creating fear by way of murder is within its legal and moral parameters.

When the American Military assumes the role of cop over the civilian landscape, either through intimidation or control of information, then it can be said that a good case could be made for finally naming the beast for what it is--fascism.

Anyone who presumes to advocate freedom in American should be against the military on this one.
  
It is the military, under these particular lights, that betrays America.


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Re: US Army: American "media" are a threat to the nation
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2007, 12:28:35 AM »
"Look at that mountain over there!"
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Re: US Army: American "media" are a threat to the nation
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2007, 01:10:43 AM »
Apparently the media is a threat in Venezuela as well. Or at least, one particularly anti-Chavez television station is.

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ben_whitford/2007/05/the_revolution_will_not_be_tel.html
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Re: US Army: American "media" are a threat to the nation
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2007, 01:30:34 AM »
The Media is supposed to be somewhat a threat to the powers that be , but if its members are patritiotic they won't want to be a threat to the pubic.

When the Media is doing its job , it uncovers the hidden .

When the Military is doing its job it wants to have its vunerabilitys hidden .


The conflict seems inevitable , it needs some rules .

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Re: US Army: American "media" are a threat to the nation
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2007, 01:36:07 AM »
Sorry, but I only read the first few paragraphs yet, characteristically, will comment anyhow. I come down closer to the Ami "much ado" position than I do to Doc Crane's "fascism." Leaving my knowledge of the ins and outs of classifying, declassifying and punishing for divulging or using sensitive information to a hoped-for briefing by one of my brethren here (or sisters), I have to sketch the relationship of military to journalist as an artful one, perhaps a pas de deux, with powerful LEGITIMATE interests waxing and waning on either side as the complicated nature of this subject matter takes shape over any given issue or any given campaign or initiative. We should never forget the "democracy part" in the structural protections of our freedoms, that is, the standards (or lack thereof) set by popular and informed opinion alike that can change "top secret, classified" in today's nomenclature into headlines in tomorrow's news based on the judgment and courage of one like Daniel Ellsberg, who, reading the popular will, was wily enough to know he was right and courageous enough to suffer mere inconveniences whilst our soldiers sacrifice their lives. By the same token, and perhaps more perniciously, those soldiers lives just mentioned, maybe, just maybe, may depend on operational secrecy that a greenhorn or blowhard could collapse in a moment of Duddy Kravitz makesmanship.
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