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Putin & US weapons in Eastern Europe
« on: June 05, 2007, 10:46:53 AM »

Putin denounces US plan for missile shield


· Bush endangering peace in central Europe, EU told
· Russian minister repeats retaliation warning

Ian Traynor, Europe editor
Thursday May 24, 2007
The Guardian

President Vladimir Putin travelled to the heart of Europe yesterday to denounce the Bush administration's plans to deploy a missile defence shield in the region.

In his fourth anti-US salvo in as many months, the Russian leader took the floor in Vienna's Hofburg Palace, former seat of Austro-Hungarian emperors, to ask why the Americans were threatening the peace of central Europe by putting new radars and a silo of missile defence rockets in the Czech Republic and Poland.

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"What is happening in Europe that is so negative that we need to fill eastern Europe with new forms of weapons?" he asked. "What has happened that has worsened the situation in Europe and demands such actions? Nothing."

The Russian leader's uncompromising opposition to the Pentagon's plans to install elements of its missile shield project in central Europe followed a frosty summit last week with EU leaders, unproductive talks with Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, and Britain's indictment on Tuesday of an ex-KGB officer, Andrei Lugovoy, for the London murder of Alexander Litvinenko, a former KGB agent and fierce critic of Mr Putin.

Relations between Russia and the west are at their lowest ebb for 20 years, and senior European and Nato officials expect no let-up in the confrontational rhetoric from Moscow until Mr Putin's eight-year presidency comes to an end next year and the power struggle for the succession is resolved.

While Mr Putin denounced the Americans in Vienna, a principal contender to succeed him, Sergei Ivanov, argued that the US radar station planned for the Czech Republic would be able to spy deep into Russia. Mr Ivanov, a deputy prime minister, former defence minister, and, like Mr Putin, a KGB veteran, dismissed the US's insistence that the missile shield elements are to counter Iranian ballistic missiles, and not Russia's.

"The radar the US is planning to deploy in the Czech Republic will be capable of scanning air space up to the Ural mountains," he said. Reiterating warnings of retaliation, he added: "A more efficient sword can be found for every shield."

Mr Putin's performance in Vienna appeared to be part of a campaign to win over European public opinion against the Pentagon project in Europe. The Americans are engaged in a parallel effort, dispatching senior officials and officers to Europe and to Russia in recent weeks on a charm offensive.

The Kremlin is currently embroiled in a series of disputes with countries it used to control on its borders - from Estonia in the north to Georgia in the south. All the border countries perceive Mr Putin's Russia as a bully and are eager to attract US support and cover.

Mr Ivanov yesterday accused them of trying to construct a "cordon sanitaire" around Russia. "They are hurting their own interests and splitting their own societies," he warned. But the harsh rhetoric from the Kremlin since February has only strengthened the resolve of the Polish and Czech governments to host the missile shield bases. The Polish government said this week that the silo of anti-missile rockets should be installed within five years.

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Juniorbush claims that these bases in Poland and the Czech Republic are necessary to protect Europe from attack by "rogue nations"

Has anyone actually looked at a map?

What rogue nation could lob missiles over Poland into Western Europe?

Iran?  North Korea?

Putin is a jerk, but he seems to be right to assume that this does NOT  involve any "rogue nations", but rather is against Russia.

How stupid does Juniorbush want to think the world he is?
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Re: Putin & US weapons in Eastern Europe
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2007, 12:19:48 PM »
What rogue nation could lob missiles over Poland into Western Europe?

Iran?  North Korea?


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Iran

ICBM s fly along great circle routes they look like straight lines on a globe but on a flat map they seem  to curve drastically , that is why airline routes seem to fly far to the north as they fly across the Atlantic , a great circle is actually the straightest line possible but the flat map produces an illusion of spacial relationship.

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Re: Putin & US weapons in Eastern Europe
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2007, 12:28:06 PM »
Plus, Putin is just pouting and wishing for the "good ole days" when the Soviet Unio had all those subjugated states along its Western border.

He is also saying it will lead to another arms race. Falderdash! They don't have the funds to run with the big boys anymore.
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Re: Putin & US weapons in Eastern Europe
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2007, 12:33:46 PM »
Would a Europe safe from Soviet Missles be much diffrent from Europe as it is?

Our proposed system would not be in the path of missles going twards the US or Northern Europe from Russian territory.

Russian Submarine launched Missles already trump the whole system.

Putin is looking for a complaint to make noise about , the noise is the thing for him.

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Re: Putin & US weapons in Eastern Europe
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2007, 02:52:49 PM »
Iran

ICBM s fly along great circle routes they look like straight lines on a globe but on a flat map they seem  to curve drastically , that is why airline routes seem to fly far to the north as they fly across the Atlantic , a great circle is actually the straightest line possible but the flat map produces an illusion of spacial relationship
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NJo, not Iran.

(1) Iran has neither missiles nor warheads.
(2) Take a piece of string and a globe and you will see that there is no route from Iran to Germany, France, the UK or Spain that passes through Poland.

The main reason is to moon Putin and keep the military industrial complex a-rollin in the excess from your Social Security cpontributions until they can tell you that it has all run out.

Wait and see.
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Re: Putin & US weapons in Eastern Europe
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2007, 03:22:31 PM »
(2) Take a piece of string and a globe and you will see that there is no route from Iran to Germany, France, the UK or Spain that passes through Poland.

Don't need a string and a globe, there are online tools to do this.
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2007, 03:25:22 PM »
Now sketch in the bases in the Czech Republic and Poland and you will see how this is bullcrap.
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Re: Putin & US weapons in Eastern Europe
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2007, 03:34:55 PM »
Now sketch in the bases in the Czech Republic and Poland and you will see how this is bullcrap.

The radar described - "capable of scanning air space up to the Ural mountains" - covers a good chunk of that great circle path.

Besides, the bases don't have to be directly on the flight path of the missile, just near enough that they can intercept. Since the path would cross southern Poland, pretty much anywhere in Poland would qualify, though obviously southern Poland would be best.
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Re: Putin & US weapons in Eastern Europe
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2007, 03:35:56 PM »
Now sketch in the bases in the Czech Republic and Poland and you will see how this is bullcrap.


No, you would see how it is not.

Try scetching in routes from Russian territorys to western European capitals .

This system would not be much good against Russia which can fire hundreds of ICBM's still , the Russian ability to defeat this capability is already existant.


But if a smaller country were building a few missles it would be very good to have , it might be good enough to keep the missles from ever being built.