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AL-QAEDA LEADER KILLED IN BAGHDAD
« on: June 07, 2007, 02:37:54 AM »
AL-QAEDA LEADER KILLED IN BAGHDAD

BAGHDAD, Iraq – Coalition Forces killed a terrorist leader and detained three other suspected terrorists during an operation in Baghdad June 5 to disrupt a bombing network in the city.

Intelligence reports indicated the targeted building in the raid was a residence known to be a safe house for the targeted individual.  As Coalition Forces were securing the targeted building, numerous suspected terrorists attempted to flee and were detained by ground forces.  One terrorist made continuous hostile attempts to evade the ground forces and refused to listen to instructions given by the interpreter with Coalition Forces.  Coalition Forces, responding in self-defense, engaged the terrorist, killing him. Three suspected terrorists were also detained during the raid.

Muhammad Mahmud ‘Abd Kazim Husayn al-Mashadani, also known as Abu Abdullah, was the terrorist killed during the raid.  He was a known al-Qaeda emir in the Hay al-Jamah area of Baghdad and part of a deadly vehicle-borne improvised explosive device cell.  He was positively identified as Muhammad Mahmud ‘Abd Kazim Husayn al-Mashadani by associates and individuals detained during the raid.

“A key link in the VBIED network has been removed,” said Lt. Col. Christopher Garver, MNF-I spokesperson.  “We will continue to assault the VBIED network in order to stop their indiscriminate attacks against the people of Iraq.”

http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12201&Itemid=21

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Re: AL-QAEDA LEADER KILLED IN BAGHDAD
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2007, 09:12:26 AM »
Tell me about the retirement plan.

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Re: AL-QAEDA LEADER KILLED IN BAGHDAD
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2007, 12:40:07 PM »
There is a 90% chance that this is bullshit just like most everything else released by the Iraqi occupiers.

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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2007, 12:49:48 PM »
Is anyoner keeping count of all this BS?  This must be al Qaeda "leader" no. 6,347 killed in the conflict.  I bet the only al Qaeda left are 15-year-old vest-makers.  Sitting around smoking dope and waiting for a "leader" to arrive.  Stay tuned same time next week folks for alQaeda Killed Leader of the Week to be announced, sooner if our boys and girls in the propaganda section can come up with a scary-enough name and bio.

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Re: AL-QAEDA LEADER KILLED IN BAGHDAD
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2007, 12:52:26 PM »
Yes of course, if it is good news from Iraq it must be a lie.


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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2007, 12:58:54 PM »
<<Yes of course, if it is good news from Iraq it must be a lie. >>

Seems to be the history of all the good news to date from Iraq, doesn't it?  If you add up all the "good news" from the beginning and compare it with the actual results, there's a kind of gap - - some might call it a "credibility gap" - - between the good news and the real situation.

But - - maybe none of the "good news" was actually a lie - - heavens no, perhaps it was all just a long, long series of honest mistakes.

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Re: AL-QAEDA LEADER KILLED IN BAGHDAD
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2007, 02:27:04 PM »
Perhaps you can document what evidence you may have that this particular claim is false.

Is it just a gut feeling or a hope?

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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2007, 02:43:16 PM »
<<Perhaps you can document what evidence you may have that this particular claim is false. >>

Experience, BT, simple experience.  Four long years of hearing how well everything is going and four years of actually seeing how badly it's all going.  (Bush:  "Who ya gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?")

And now, at the end of four years of wonderful news, the poor bugger has to come to the American people and ask for a "surge" of more troops.

I mean, after all, "Fool me once, . . . " and all that.

<<Is it just a gut feeling or a hope?>>

It's an absolute certainty.  The HOPE is not just that you will be beaten, but that you will be beaten so badly that you will not conduct another war of senseless criminal aggression for at least another 20 years.

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Re: AL-QAEDA LEADER KILLED IN BAGHDAD
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2007, 03:38:26 PM »
So you are simply stating suspicion as fact.

Reality blurs

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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2007, 04:20:21 PM »
As a natural human phenomenon, perhaps pesky like a bad cold and just as unwanted, opponents of the war often greet good military news with mixed emotions, what sociologists call cognitive dissonance. Highly invested, deeply rooted and morally clear, their dissident opinions foresee a worsening situation as a simple corollary to continued occupation. To an extent they have wagered their worldview on the folly of the war, its scandalous mismanagement, but also it present futility. I repeat: this is a natural phenomenon, best treated with awareness, that says nothing about patriotism because these folks engage in providing a high patriotic service -- necessary criticism -- but pay a price of being slow to rally 'round the flag when it's planted in a new location.

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Re: AL-QAEDA LEADER KILLED IN BAGHDAD
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2007, 06:28:37 PM »
Seems to me the duty of an informed citizenry is to remain objective. You seem to be making excuses for those that aren't.

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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2007, 06:32:17 PM »
Well, BT, believe it or not, I would go farther in diplomacy school than you, a skill helpful sometimes in dealing with one's more-or-less political allies. Don't tell that that aspect of my comments above escaped you.

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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2007, 08:10:37 AM »
Well, BT, believe it or not, I would go farther in diplomacy school than you, a skill helpful sometimes in dealing with one's more-or-less political allies. Don't tell that that aspect of my comments above escaped you.


 "I would go farther in diplomacy school than you,..."


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« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2007, 10:20:25 AM »
I salute and thank domer for his diplomatic skills, but in the result, my views came out with a little too much sugar-coating for my taste. 

In the first place, I don't object in general to the "folly" of war - - I'm an enthusiastic supporter of war at the right time and place and against the right enemies.  WWII for example.  The Falklands War for another.

Secondly, I don't think of this particular war as a "folly" - - calling it what it is, exactly, it's a criminal act of unprovoked aggression, one that if the Nuremburg Laws were fairly applied, would unquestionably have resulted in death sentences for its architects.

Third, I think we need to recognize the subjectivity of the word "good," as in "good military news."  I suppose to a decent, patriotic German of WWII vintage, "good military news" would be hearing that the Allies were thrown back into the sea at Normandy but there is nothing good about a military result which advances criminal actions.

I think domer has correctly recognized the distortion that "wishful thinking" can bring to an analysis of military matters.  I'm aware of  my own vulnerabilty to it - - sometimes I knowingly give in to it, but mostly (I hope) I examine my conclusions carefully to see if they aren't just wishful thinking.  I can't resist pointing out, however, that the same phenomenon is much more easily seen on the opposite side of the ideological fence.  "Good military news" rewards those who support criminal acts of aggression in flagrant breach of the Charter of the United Nations and set back further and further the goals and ideals of the United Nations, of which the U.S.A. was the primary founding member, and the cause of international law.  With the exception of the deaths of al Qaeda members killed by U.S.  action, "good military news" should give no one any cause for rejoicing.


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Re: AL-QAEDA LEADER KILLED IN BAGHDAD
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2007, 10:46:27 AM »
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With the exception of the deaths of al Qaeda members killed by U.S.  action, "good military news" should give no one any cause for rejoicing.

And yet, that was exactly what this story was about. An Al Queda leader was killed. The same Al queda that publishes the torture training manual that you found so abhorrent. And the first thing you did was doubt the veracity of the story, then you minimized it and then you ridiculed it.