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Hastert: Anyone Who Hid Page Info Leaves
« on: October 10, 2006, 01:34:36 PM »
I found this paragraph - buried in the article below - to be particularly interesting:

"In Illinois, Hastert confirmed reports from last week that he initially had suggested having former FBI Director Louis Freeh head up a Capitol Hill inquiry on the page program, but that House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi objected."

Oct 10, 11:46 AM (ET)

By ANDREW TAYLOR

WASHINGTON (AP) - House Speaker Dennis Hastert said Tuesday he'll dismiss anyone on his staff found to have covered up concerns about ex-Rep. Mark Foley's approaches to former pages.

Hastert said he huddled with his staff last week and in that, in hindsight, the situation could have been better handled. But he added that "if there is a problem, if there was a coverup, then we should find that out through the investigation process. They'll be under oath and we'll find out."

"If they did cover something up, then they should not continue to have their jobs. But I didn't think anybody at any time in my office did anything wrong," Hastert told a news conference in Aurora, Ill.

Meanwhile, Rep. Jim Kolbe said Tuesday he passed along a complaint about inappropriate e-mails from Foley to Foley's office and the clerk of the House but took no further action when learning of the incident.

A former page sponsored by Kolbe contacted the Arizona Republican's office in 2000 or 2001, well before House leaders say they first learned of inappropriate messages sent by Foley.

"Some time after leaving the Page program, an individual I had appointed as a Page contacted my office to say he had received e-mails from Rep. Foley that made him uncomfortable," Kolbe said in a statement. "I was not shown the content of the messages and was not told they were sexually explicit. It was my recommendation that this complaint be passed along to Rep. Foley's office and the clerk who supervised the Page program. This was done promptly."

In Illinois, Hastert confirmed reports from last week that he initially had suggested having former FBI Director Louis Freeh head up a Capitol Hill inquiry on the page program, but that House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi objected.

Revelations that Foley was engaged in sending lurid messages to the young congressional assistants has caused an uproar with the mid-term elections rapidly approaching. Foley resigned when the story surfaced and has since entered an alcohol rehabilitation facility in Florida.

The House ethics committee last week announced it was undertaking an investigation, and the matter already is under the scrutiny of the FBI.

In his statement Tuesday, Kolbe defended the way he handled the incident.

"I did not have a personal conversation with Mr. Foley about the matter. I assume e-mail contact ceased since the former page never raised the issue again with my office," he said. "I believed then, and believe now, that this was the appropriate way to handle this incident given the information I had and the fact that the young man was no longer a page and not subject to the jurisdiction of the program."

Separately, the FBI was expected to interview a former congressional page Tuesday who may have received suggestive electronic messages from Foley, the young man's attorney said.

"They (FBI) will question Jordan Edmund concerning his knowledge, if any, about former congressman Mark Foley," attorney Stephen Jones told The Oklahoman. The meeting was to occur in Oklahoma City where Edmund has been working on a gubernatorial campaign, Jones said.

That session was among a host of developments in the unfolding scandal surrounding the 52-year-old Foley's relationship with teenagers, called pages, appointed to run errands for lawmakers while Congress is in session.

Meanwhile, lawmakers are responding to the ethics committee's request that they survey aides and former House pages to find out if any of them had knowledge of Foley's inappropriate conduct toward male pages.

These developments continued to cloud Republicans' prospects for retaining their congressional majority.

A CBS News-New York Times poll released Monday found that four in five said GOP leaders were more concerned with politics than with the well-being of the congressional pages. Nearly half of those polled, 46 percent, said House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., should step down over his handling of the Foley matter, while 26 percent said Hastert should remain in his post.

Edmund's identity became public after ABC News inadvertently published the computer screen name of an ex-congressional page who allegedly received online instant messages from the ex-congressman.

The network quickly removed the screen name, but not before an Oklahoma-based blogger used the information to identify the former page.

Foley has acknowledged through his attorney that he is gay but has denied having any sexual contact with minors.

Edmund, a Californian, has been living in Oklahoma City and working as a deputy campaign manager for the gubernatorial campaign of Rep. Ernest Istook, R-Okla., who is challenging incumbent Democrat Brad Henry. Edmund was a U.S. House page in 2001 and 2002.

Jones said last week that Edmund was willing to talk to the FBI and the ethics panel. He also said Edmund "was a minor when the alleged events described in the media occurred."

Jones said there was "no physical involvement between" Edmund and Foley. The attorney also said the two were never together privately.

Where the meeting will take place wasn't disclosed.

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Re: Hastert: Anyone Who Hid Page Info Leaves
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2006, 01:45:48 PM »
>I found this paragraph - buried in the article below - to be particularly interesting:

"In Illinois, Hastert confirmed reports from last week that he initially had suggested having former FBI Director Louis Freeh head up a Capitol Hill inquiry on the page program, but that House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi objected."<

Of course she objected, Freeh is a RW hack. He would exonerate his masters on the spot. I would almost have more faith in Ken Starr for Chrissakes.
Oh, and Buh Bye, Denny!

Hastert said he huddled with his staff last week and in that, in hindsight, the situation could have been better handled. But he added that "if there is a problem, if there was a coverup, then we should find that out through the investigation process. They'll be under oath and we'll find out."

>"If they did cover something up, then they should not continue to have their jobs. But I didn't think anybody at any time in my office did anything wrong," Hastert told a news conference in Aurora, Ill.<
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Re: Hastert: Anyone Who Hid Page Info Leaves
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2006, 03:01:09 PM »
Of course she objected, Freeh is a RW hack. He would exonerate his masters on the spot.

Bill Clinton's head of the FBI - recommended by Janet Reno - is a RW hack?

How did he get by the Dem's, then?
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Re: Hastert: Anyone Who Hid Page Info Leaves
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2006, 03:29:51 PM »
Of course she objected, Freeh is a RW hack. He would exonerate his masters on the spot.

Bill Clinton's head of the FBI - recommended by Janet Reno - is a RW hack?

How did he get by the Dem's, then?

When  did you become such a great admirer of the choices of Clinton & Reno? Freeh was probably Bill's second worse decision while in the WhiteHouse . Fibbing about a bj was #1. He shoulda just said none of your fucking business.

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Re: Hastert: Anyone Who Hid Page Info Leaves
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2006, 03:38:22 PM »
When  did you become such a great admirer of the choices of Clinton & Reno? Freeh was probably Bill's second worse decision while in the WhiteHouse .

Like all politicians, he made some good choices, and some poor ones. After all, I did vote for him, so he wasn't all bad.

You still haven't shown how a "RW hack" made it past Reno, Clinton, and a Dem controlled Senate. Were they all asleep on the job?
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Re: Hastert: Anyone Who Hid Page Info Leaves
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2006, 03:39:44 PM »
Fibbing about a bj was #1. He shoulda just said none of your fucking business.

And yet another area we both agree. I actually go back further, though. Had he come clean about Flowers, none of the later stuff would have caused any problems.
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Re: Hastert: Anyone Who Hid Page Info Leaves
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2006, 04:57:32 PM »
Fibbing about a bj was #1. He shoulda just said none of your fucking business.
And yet another area we both agree. I actually go back further, though. Had he come clean about Flowers, none of the later stuff would have caused any problems.

Precisely.  It's not the original acute poor judgement that gets most people in trouble, as much as the follow-up attempt to cover it up, and in Clinton's case, lie in court, to a grand jury, and in front of a Federal Judge
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2006, 07:28:48 PM »
When  did you become such a great admirer of the choices of Clinton & Reno? Freeh was probably Bill's second worse decision while in the WhiteHouse .

Like all politicians, he made some good choices, and some poor ones. After all, I did vote for him, so he wasn't all bad.

You still haven't shown how a "RW hack" made it past Reno, Clinton, and a Dem controlled Senate. Were they all asleep on the job?

Unlike the Bushidiot, Bill had a true bi-partisan stripe. He also appointed Cohen as SoD and that was a good one. He kept on the unlovely bitch that conned Monica( I have thankfully forgotten her name).
Freeh was an idiot who fucked uop everything he came into contact with. Sort of a precurser to the Bushidiot.

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Re: Hastert: Anyone Who Hid Page Info Leaves
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2006, 07:34:05 PM »
Bill had a true bi-partisan stripe.

And all the Dems in the Senate were bi-partisan as well?
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Re: Hastert: Anyone Who Hid Page Info Leaves
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2006, 02:29:29 AM »
What if it is found that Hastert knew?  Does he leave, too?
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2006, 03:29:03 AM »
What if it is found that Hastert knew?  Does he leave, too?

If he knew of how slimey Foley was way back when, as the IM's describe, and sat on it, you bet.
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2006, 07:34:38 AM »
What if it is found that Hastert knew?  Does he leave, too?

Definately.
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Re: Hastert: Anyone Who Hid Page Info Leaves
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2006, 08:21:43 PM »
What if it is found that Hastert knew?  Does he leave, too?


Shouldn't we just assume thet he did , and dump him?

Why investigate anything.


BTW apparently Foley being a creep was common gossip in Washington , how many gossips can we dump out of both partys with this ?

Probly hundreds.

Could Foley-gate become a purge?

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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2006, 09:31:06 PM »
What if it is found that Hastert knew?  Does he leave, too?
Shouldn't we just assume thet he did , and dump him?
Why investigate anything.
BTW apparently Foley being a creep was common gossip in Washington , how many gossips can we dump out of both partys with this ?
Probly hundreds.
Could Foley-gate become a purge?

Heck with Rumors, what did each party do with these folks?  And let's count Dems vs GOP, shall we?

Congressional Sex Scandals in recent History

By Ken Rudin
Special to washingtonpost.com


As the House prepares for a possible investigation of sex-related allegations concerning President Clinton, it's worth taking a look back at how Congress has dealt with the frequent charges of sexual misconduct by its own members.

Here are 21 case studies. In most, Congress took little or no official action, leaving the fate of the accused to the voters.

This history begins in 1974, but not because episodes of sexual impropriety only go back a quarter-century. In the old days, they simply weren't reported. In 1903, for example, the Speaker of the House, David Henderson (R-Iowa), was forced to resign over his sexual relationship with the daughter of a senator. Henderson never said why he was quitting, and neither did the press. But that was then, and this is now.
 
1974 
Rep. Wilbur Mills (D-Ark.)
On Oct. 9, 1974, Mills, the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee and perhaps the most powerful member of the House, was stopped for speeding near the Jefferson Memorial at 2 a.m. Shortly after, Annabella Battistella – a stripper who went by the stage-name of Fanne Foxe,  the "Argentine Firecracker" – jumped out of his car and into the Potomac River tidal basin. The incident did not immediately threaten Mills, whose district was solidly Democratic. But Mills won reelection with only 59 percent of the vote, his lowest total ever. Within weeks, Mills appeared on a Boston stage carousing with Foxe, apparently intoxicated. Faced with an uprising among House Democrats, Mills was forced to resign as Ways and Means chairman, and in 1976 he announced he would not seek another term, ending his 38-year House career. He was succeeded by Jim Guy Tucker, whose own ethics got the attention of Kenneth Starr some two decades later.


1976 
Rep. Wayne Hays (D-Ohio)
In its May 23, 1976, editions, The Washington Post quoted Elizabeth Ray as saying that she was a secretary for the House Administration Committee, headed by Hays, despite the fact that "I can't type, I can't file, I can't  even answer the phone." She said the main responsibility of her $14,000-a-year job was to have sex with Hays. The fall of Hays, an arrogant bully who was one of the most powerful – and disliked – members of Congress, was rapid. The House ethics committee opened its investigation on June 2. He resigned as chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee on June 3. In the Democratic primary five days later, a car-wash manager/bartender who had run against Hays four previous times and never received more than 20 percent of the vote got 39 percent. Hays later resigned his committee chairmanship, dropped his reelection bid, and finally resigned on September 1.

Rep. John Young (D-Tex.)
On June 11, 1976, Colleen Gardner, a former staff secretary to Young, told the New York Times that Young increased her salary after she gave in to his sexual advances. In November, Young, who had run unopposed in the safe Democratic district five consecutive times, was reelected with just 61 percent of the vote. The scandal wouldn't go away, and in 1978 Young was defeated in a Democratic primary runoff.

Rep. Allan Howe (D-Utah)
On June 13, 1976, Howe was arrested in Salt Lake City on charges of soliciting two policewomen posing as prostitutes. Howe insisted he was set up and refused to resign. But the Democratic Party distanced itself from his candidacy and he was trounced by his Republican opponent in the November election.

Rep. Fred Richmond (D-N.Y.)
In April 1978, Richmond was arrested in Washington for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy. Richmond apologized for his actions, conceding he "made bad judgments involving my private life." In spite of a Democratic primary opponent's attempts to cash in on the headlines, Richmond easily won renomination and reelection. But his career came to an end four years later when, after pleading guilty to possession of marijuana and tax evasion – and amid allegations that he had his staff procure cocaine for him – he resigned his seat.


1980 
Rep. Jon Hinson (R-Miss.)
On Aug. 8, 1980, during his first reelection bid, Hinson stunned everyone by announcing that in 1976 he had been accused of committing an obscene act at a gay haunt in Virginia. Hinson, married and a strong conservative, added that in 1977 he had survived a fire in a gay D.C. movie theater. He was making the disclosure, he said, because he needed to clear his conscience. But he denied he was a homosexual and refused GOP demands that he resign. Hinson won reelection in a three-way race, with 39 percent of the vote. But three months later, he was arrested on charges of attempted oral sodomy in the restroom of a House office building. He resigned his seat on April 13, 1981.
 
Rep. Robert Bauman (R-Md.)
On Oct. 3, 1980, Bauman, a leading "pro-family" conservative, pleaded innocent to a charge that he committed oral sodomy on a teenage boy in Washington. Married and the father of four, Bauman conceded that he had been an alcoholic but had been seeking treatment. The news came as a shock to voters of the rural, conservative district, and he lost to a Democrat in November.


1981 
Rep. Thomas Evans (R-Del.)
The Wilmington News-Journal reported on March 6, 1981, that three House members – Evans, Tom Railsback (R-Ill.) and Dan Quayle (R-Ind.) – shared a cottage during a 1980 vacation in Florida with Paula Parkinson, a lobbyist who later posed for Playboy magazine. All three proceeded to vote against federal crop-insurance legislation that Parkinson had been lobbying against, and questions were raised whether votes were exchanged for sex. Railsback and Quayle denied having sex with her. Evans said he regretted his "association" with Parkinson and asked his family and God to forgive him. But he forgot to include the voters, who in 1982 threw him out of office.


1983 
Reps. Dan Crane (R-Ill.) and Gerry Studds (D-Mass.)
The House ethics committee on July 14, 1983, announced that Crane and Studds had sexual relationships with teenage congressional pages – Crane with a 17-year-old female in 1980, Studds with a 17-year-old male in 1973. Both admitted the charges that same day, and Studds acknowledged he was gay. The committee voted to reprimand the two, but a back-bench Georgia Republican named Newt Gingrich argued that they should be expelled. The full House voted on July 20 instead to censure the two, the first time that ever happened for sexual misconduct. Crane, married and the father of six, was tearful in his apology to the House, while Studds refused to apologize. Crane's conservative district voted him out in 1984, while the voters in Studds's more liberal district were more forgiving. Studds won reelection in 1984 with 56 percent of the vote, and continued to win until he retired in 1996.


1987 
Rep. Ernie Konnyu (R-Calif.)
In August 1987, two former Konnyu aides complained to the San Jose Mercury News that the freshman Republican had sexually harassed them. GOP leaders were unhappy with Konnyu's temperament to begin with, so it took little effort to find candidates who would take him on in the primary. Stanford professor Tom Campbell ousted Konnyu the following June.


1988 
Sen. Brock Adams (D-Wash.)
On Sept. 27, 1988, Seattle newspapers reported that Kari Tupper, the daughter of Adams's longtime friends, filed a complaint against the Washington Democrat in July of 1987, charging sexual assault. She claimed she went to Adams's house in March 1987 to get him to end a pattern of harassment, but that he drugged her and assaulted her. Adams denied any sexual assault, saying they only talked about her employment opportunities. Adams continued raising campaign funds and declared for a second term in February of 1992. But two weeks later the Seattle Times reported that eight other women were accusing Adams of sexual molestation over the past 20 years, describing a history of drugging and subsequent rape. Later that day, while still proclaiming his innocence, Adams ended his campaign.

Rep. Jim Bates (D-Calif.)
Roll Call quoted former Bates aides in October 1988 saying that the San Diego Democrat made sexual advances toward female staffers. Bates called it a GOP-inspired smear campaign, but also apologized for anything he did that might have seemed inappropriate. The story came too close to Election Day to damage Bates, who won easily. However, the following October the ethics committee sent Bates a "letter of reproval" directing him to make a formal apology to the women who filed the complaint. Although the district was not thought to be hospitable to the GOP, Randy "Duke" Cunningham, a former Navy pilot who was once shot down over North Vietnam, ousted Bates in 1990 by fewer than 2,000 votes.


1989 
Rep. Donald "Buz" Lukens (R-Ohio)
On Feb. 1, 1989, an Ohio TV station aired a videotape of a confrontation between Lukens, a conservative activist, and the mother of a Columbus teenager. The mother charged that Lukens had been paying to have sex with her daughter since she was 13. On May 26, Lukens was found guilty of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and sentenced to one month in jail. Infuriating his fellow Republicans, Lukens refused to resign. But he finished a distant third in the May 1990 primary. Instead of spending the remaining months of his term in obscurity, Lukens was accused of fondling a Capitol elevator operator and he resigned on October 24, 1990.

Rep. Gus Savage (D-Ill.)
The Washington Post reported on July 19, 1989, that Savage had fondled a Peace Corps volunteer while on an official visit to Zaire. Savage called the story a lie and blamed it on his political enemies and a racist media. (Savage is black.) In January 1990, the House ethics committee decided that the events did occur, but decided against any disciplinary action because Savage wrote a letter to the woman saying he "never intended to offend" her. Savage was reelected in 1990, but finally ousted in the 1992 primary by Mel Reynolds.

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.)
In response to a story in the Aug. 25, 1989, Washington Times, Frank confirmed that he hired Steve Gobie, a male prostitute, in 1985 to live with and work for him in his D.C. apartment. But Frank, who is gay, said  he fired Gobie in 1987 when he learned he was using the apartment to run a prostitution service. The Boston Globe, among others, called on Frank to resign, but he refused. On July 19, 1990, the ethics committee recommended Frank be reprimanded because he "reflected discredit upon the House" by using his congressional office to fix 33 of Gobie's parking tickets. Attempts to expel or censure Frank failed; instead the House voted 408-18 to reprimand him. The fury in Washington was not shared in Frank's district, where he won reelection in 1990 with 66 percent of the vote, and has won by larger margins ever since.


1990 
Rep. Arlan Stangeland (R-Minn.)
It was reported in January 1990 that Stangeland, married with seven children, had made several hundred long-distance phone calls in 1986 and 1987 on his House credit card to or from the residences of a female lobbyist. Stangeland acknowledged the calls and conceded some of them may have been personal. But he insisted the relationship was not romantic. Voters of his rural district were not buying, choosing a Democrat in November.


1991 
Sen. Charles Robb (D-Va.)
On April 25, 1991, with NBC News about to go on the air with allegations he had an extramarital affair with Tai Collins, a former Miss Virginia, Robb made a preemptive strike. The Virginia Democrat, married to Lyndon Johnson's daughter, said he was with Collins in a hotel room, but all that took place was a massage over a bottle of wine. Collins, in a subsequent interview with Playboy, said they had been having an affair since 1983. It was thought that these charges, along with long-circulated but unproven allegations that Robb had attended Virginia Beach parties where cocaine was present, would jeopardize Robb's 1994 bid for re-election. But the GOP nominated Oliver North, the Iran-Contra figure who had his own credibility problems. Robb squeaked by with 46 percent in a three-way race.


1992 
Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
In October 1992, Republican Senate nominee Rick Reed began running a campaign commercial that included a surreptitiously taped interview with Lenore Kwock, Inouye's hairdresser. Kwock said Inouye had sexually forced himself on her in 1975 and continued a pattern of sexual harassment, even as Kwock continued to cut his hair over the years. Inouye, seeking a sixth term, denied the charges. And Kwock said that by running the commercial, Reed had caused her more pain than Inouye had. Reed was forced to pull the ad, and while many voters took out their anger on the Republican, Inouye was held to 57 percent of the vote – the lowest total of his career. A week later, a female Democratic state legislator announced that she had heard from nine other women who claimed Inouye had sexually harassed them over the past decade. But the women didn't go public with their claims, the local press didn't pursue the story, and the Senate Ethics Committee decided to drop the investigation because the accusers wouldn't participate in an inquiry.

Sen. Bob Packwood (R-Ore.)
Less than three weeks after Packwood narrowly won a fifth term, the Washington Post on Nov. 22, 1992, reported allegations from 10 female ex-staffers that Packwood had sexually harassed them. The Post had the story before the election, but didn't run it as Packwood had denied the charges. With the story now out in the open, Packwood said that if any of his actions were "unwelcome," he was "sincerely sorry." He then sought alcohol counseling. But his longtime feminist allies were outraged, and with more women coming forward with horror stories, there were calls for his resignation. It wasn't until September of 1995 when, faced with the prospect of public Senate hearings and a vote to expel, Packwood announced his resignation.


1994 
Rep. Mel Reynolds (D-Ill.)
Freshman Reynolds was indicted on Aug. 19, 1994, on charges of having sex with a 16-year-old campaign worker and then pressuring her to lie about it. Reynolds, who is black, denied the charges and said the investigation was racially motivated. The GOP belatedly put up a write-in candidate for November, but Reynolds dispatched him in the overwhelmingly Democratic district with little effort. Reynolds was convicted on Aug. 22, 1995 of 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography, was sentenced to five years in prison, and resigned his seat on October 1.

 
Hmmmm, 13 Dems & 8 Repubs.  What was that Larry was referring to, that claimed that the Democrat party was far and away superior to the GOP in morals and proper behavior?


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Re: Hastert: Anyone Who Hid Page Info Leaves
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2006, 09:33:24 PM »
Why was Foley exposed? A number of issues over the past few years were cause for large numbers of evangelical Christians to withdraw their support for President Bush and the conservative republican party. The outing of Foley created an opportunity for the right wing conservatives to prove their loyalty to the radical base, by sacrificing one of their own, for committing transgressions.

I would will not be surprise to see, Foley, emerge from rehab, a, supposed, changed man. Foley, now has an opportunity to martyr himself and make lots of money. I'm sure the title of his book will be something along the line of  "Satan Made Me Do it" and I'm sure it will be a best seller in the book stores. The GOP works in mysterious ways. Who knows? Foley might even get his very own radio talk show. I'm sure the right wing stratigist have a game plan for Mr. Foley.

The man who outed, Foley, said, his action were not political, he said "I'm just a nobody", and that is the way the republicans would like to keep it. The outing of, Foley, was timely and republicans now have an opportunity to talk about how righteous they really are.

In this time of hype and spin, what happens next, is far more important, than what happen first. The event of 9/11 is a primary example. The American TRUST- is money in the bank and power on the Hill. WE should not give our trust away, based on thirty second sound bites and fabricated issues.