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sirs

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But let's not exagerate the threat
« on: June 14, 2007, 01:16:43 AM »
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: But let's not exagerate the threat
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2007, 01:22:50 AM »
I find that cartoon amusing since we all know that under all those masks in both panels, there are conservative madmen who love Amuuurrica and don't want brown people telling them what to do.

Kudos, sirs!

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Re: But let's not exagerate the threat
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2007, 03:03:16 AM »
I find that cartoon amusing since we all know that under all those masks in both panels, there are conservative madmen who love Amuuurrica and don't want brown people telling them what to do.  Kudos, sirs!

Oh, no doubt there are fringe lunatics in this country.  Many appear to grace our little 'ol saloon right here, not wanting "rich people" telling them what to do (of course they deciding who "the rich" are.  Those who love Guuuuuuuuuuvernment so much, have no problem using it to take from others that which they see fit, and telling us what to do.  You're welcome Brass
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Re: But let's not exagerate the threat
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2007, 01:37:44 PM »
I find that cartoon amusing since we all know that under all those masks in both panels, there are conservative madmen who love Amuuurrica and don't want brown people telling them what to do.

Kudos, sirs!


Do you suppose that under the hoods might be some mislead individuals who blame Jews and the local minoritys and furreners for everything that ever went wrong in their lives?

Perhaps you ment Irony ,but you hit truth by accident.

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Re: But let's not exagerate the threat
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2007, 03:49:08 PM »
actually they`re quite abit similiar
both hate jews and both admire hitler
I talked to a friend of mine whoses a sunni and he was shocked to find out hilter isn`t unliked.
he just didn`t understand why.

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Re: But let's not exagerate the threat
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2007, 09:16:13 AM »
Oh, no doubt there are fringe lunatics in this country.  Many appear to grace our little 'ol saloon right here, not wanting "rich people" telling them what to do (of course they deciding who "the rich" are.  Those who love Guuuuuuuuuuvernment so much, have no problem using it to take from others that which they see fit, and telling us what to do.  You're welcome Brass

Wow.

Yes, this cartoon and the above statement seem to be quite bizarre.

I have yet to see anyone here condone either racist lynch mobs or terrorist decapitations.

The above statement is just convoluted rubbish.
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Re: But let's not exagerate the threat
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2007, 11:33:05 AM »
I have yet to see anyone here condone either racist lynch mobs or terrorist decapitations.

And I have yet to see certain folks I would consider rational, acknowledge the threat of those who perform said decapitations.  Just alot of empty rhetoric apparently, with no real following at all.  It would seem we need many more exaples of such to perhaps consider changing one's mind


The above statement is just convoluted rubbish.

A rubbish opinion, but one you are perfectly entitled to.  Or were you speaking of Brass's yet again attempt to inferrence that conservatives that support our efforts at taking on terrorists are Nazis? 
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Re: But let's not exagerate the threat
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2007, 12:06:20 PM »
I would  think the cartoon is worthy of a little closer examination.  One of the captions seems to be misplaced.  "And this is OK?" belongs, I think, under the KKK panel.  It seems, in the USA, in many quarters, "this" IS okay.  As long as it isn't too openly expressed. 

How soon we forget . . . Trent Lott, still a mover and shaker in the Republican Party, openly regretting that Strom Thurmond had not become President of the U.S.A.  Senator Macacawitz, racially insulting a dark-skinned college student.  Just this week, a former KKK convicted of a double civil rights murder from 1965 when a partner in crime - - who turned state's evidence and walks! - - ratted him out.  You can bet that no one was sufficiently concerned about the crime to waterboard any KKK suspects about it.  He was OK for 47 years and now gets to live out his retirement at the state's expense in a comfortable air-conditioned prison with three square meals a day.

I think the U.S.A. has a lot of racist murders of its own to expiate before it can self-righeously point an accusing finger at anyone else's crimes.  What we object to is the hypocrisy of Americans who deny their own crimes while screaming from the rooftops about everyone else's.  Take a pill.

For the record, "the left" doesn't think EITHER of the two situations is OK.  Too bad the right can't say the same.

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Re: But let's not exagerate the threat
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2007, 12:20:08 PM »
And too bad Tee can't validate in any way, shape or form, the asinine notion that the right is ok with both, while minimizing the scene on the right.  SOP
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Re: But let's not exagerate the threat
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2007, 12:28:03 PM »
I would  think the cartoon is worthy of a little closer examination.  One of the captions seems to be misplaced.  "And this is OK?" belongs, I think, under the KKK panel.  It seems, in the USA, in many quarters, "this" IS okay.  As long as it isn't too openly expressed. 

ROFLMAO

Good joke.
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2007, 12:29:40 PM »
<<Many appear to grace our little 'ol saloon right here, not wanting "rich people" telling them what to do (of course they deciding who "the rich" are.  Those who love Guuuuuuuuuuvernment so much, have no problem using it to take from others that which they see fit, and telling us what to do. >>

Sterling example of the confused and borderline insane "thought" process of the far right.

<<not wanting "rich people" telling them what to do >>

as if any sane, normal individual would just LOVE to have rich people bossing him or her around.

<<(of course they deciding who "the rich" are.  >>

classical disordered thought process.  As if it might be OK to resent rich people ordering you around, but it's NOT OK to decide for yourself who you mean by "the rich."  Leave it, I guess, to someone else to tell you who's rich and who's not, because you're too dumb to interpret your own statements for yourself.

It would be kinda like me deriding sirs for his frequent criticisms of the "Loony Left" and then adding "of course, sirs deciding who "the Loony Left" are," as if there were positively something either insane or indecent in allowing anyone to decide for himself who he means to criticize when he criticizes a class or group.

Get used to it, sirs, it's called freedom of thought.  You bitch about the "Loony Left" AND get to decide who the "Loony Left" are, and I bitch about the rich and get to decide who "the rich" are.

<<Those who love Guuuuuuuuuuvernment so much . . . >>

Of course, anyone who expects the government to perform any basic function MUST be madly in love with government.

<< . . . have no problem using it to take from others . . .  >>

uhh, it's something called "taxation," sirs.  Bin with us for a long, long time now.  Some people say it's as certain as death.  Better get used to it.  Didn't you ever wonder what that little deduction was on your paycheque?

<< . . . that which they see fit, and telling us what to do. >>

Oh, on the contrary, I would have a BIG problem if the government took from me and used it to torture and kill people in other countries who had never attacked our country.  HUUUUUGE problem in fact.  I would say Huh?  They takin my money for torture and murder?  Fuck that!

I think the concept that sirs has to wrap his brain around is that the government, democratically elected by the people (hah!) will then decide what to do with all those taxes it collects and some people want it to do one thing and some want it to do another.  sirs probably has no problem with "the government" taking money from a pacifist's pocket and spending it on torture and murder but he has a big problem with that same government taking money from some selfish greedy bastard's pocket and spending it on health care for people who otherwise can't afford health care.

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Re: But let's not exagerate the threat
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2007, 12:44:27 PM »
<<And too bad Tee can't validate in any way, shape or form, the asinine notion that the right is ok with both, >>

Yeah, that IS too bad.  What can I do?  How could I even hope to validate in any way, shape or form the asinine notion that the right is OK with the KKK?  I'd have to prove something like, uh, that Trent Lott is still a member of the Senate Finance Committee, shit, how could I do that?  I'd have to prove something like, uh, that Trent Lott still sits in the U.S. Senate, shit, how could I ever do that?

Yeah, it's tough in a non-racist country like the U.S.A. to prove that racists still have considerable influence and power. 

I'm really fucked here, went waaaay out on a limb.  Hmmm, I bet I'd have to prove that the right wing condones and minimizes torture and murder of prisoners too . . .  oh, shit, how did I ever get into this jam?  Me and my big mouth!

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Re: But let's not exagerate the threat
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2007, 01:14:09 PM »
<<And too bad Tee can't validate in any way, shape or form, the asinine notion that the right is ok with both, >>

Yeah, that IS too bad.  What can I do?  How could I even hope to validate in any way, shape or form the asinine notion that the right is OK with the KKK?  I'd have to prove something like, uh, that Trent Lott is still a member of the Senate Finance Committee, shit, how could I do that?  I'd have to prove something like, uh, that Trent Lott still sits in the U.S. Senate, shit, how could I ever do that?

See what I mean.  The fact that Lott, who TEE believes is some form of card carrying KKK member is proof positive of his claim on how the right is "ok with the KKK".  Laughable if it weren't so pathetic in its black hole of validation & support.  Yet we have actual WORDS from certain folks basically giving terrorists a pass for their brutal actions because really, they're just "freedom fighters".

Fish in a barrel stuff


Yeah, it's tough in a non-racist country like the U.S.A. to prove that racists still have considerable influence and power.  

No one I'm aware of has claimed racism still doesn't exist in America.  Simply that the days of the KKK have been long demonized from EVERY side, and the days of legislated segregation has also been vaporized.  Tee's still living about 40years in the past, it would seem
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Re: But let's not exagerate the threat
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2007, 01:43:58 PM »
And I have yet to see certain folks I would consider rational, acknowledge the threat of those who perform said decapitations.  Just alot of empty rhetoric apparently, with no real following at all.  It would seem we need many more exaples of such to perhaps consider changing one's mind

What is it you think you are showing me Sirs? Something really emotionally disturbing that is a new and wildly radical threat to the world?

From 1998 to 2002 there was a civil war in the Congo. It was more complex, with more factions involved, and more nations than I really wish to get into here. By most accounts it was the bloodiest conflict on this Earth since World War II and that remains true to this very day. There was ethnic cleansing, looting, brutal rape, and much of the conflict depended on these different factions taking control of areas of the Congo that were lucrative in natural resources - especially diamonds.

Some of the factions entered the Ituri regions and charges of cannabalism were alleged, where it has been said that some of the armies ate the Ituri pygmies living there, because they are considered less than human (dehumanized as it were). Labour camps were set up, slavery took place, including the children.

It is estimated that somewhere between 3.5 and 4.4 million people died. And you are telling me about the impending possibilities of a threat? You wonder why I'd like some actual evidence to back up your claims? I'd also appreciate you not fucking with my arguments, nowhere did I say that I need mroe examples of decapitations. What I said was that I need proof that more Muslims are following these radical lines, because you made the allegation that it is a growing threat, yet you refuse to back that up with any real evidence.

Here's a newsflash, the world did not change on September 11, 2001. People were inhumane sons of bitches to one another long before then, the only thing that happened on that date is that the United States lost a lot of innocence, and gained a great deal of compassion from other nations.

Go to the Sudan, or Congo and ask them how much the world changed that day. It is horrible to think that anyone would be taken captive by their fellow man and tortured or murdered. I have a great deal of compassion for those who fall victim to Militant Islamists.

Yet, where was the concern for victims before? Where were your cartoons from the Congolese Civil War? Where were your reports of the millions who died?

Perspective is an interesting notion. So I don't know what you expect from these cartoons.

Here, want some photos:


Rape victims from the Congolese Civil War, with one innocent by-product.


He was hit by a stray bullet during the war, but survived.


A young soldier in the war.


Another maimed child.


This little girl watched her family being murdered, then joined a refugee group.


These are orphans of the war.

You know what Sirs, demonize me however you see fit. I mean, why change your MO? I'm sure you'll find many ways, just like the author of that terrible article to even make me into some kind of threat.

I don't really care. Just do me a favor and don't patronise me with these pathetic little cartoons.
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Re: But let's not exagerate the threat
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2007, 02:03:09 PM »
The Congo is a really hard case , years and years of misery .

Even where the UN has taken controll the UN itself behaves badly.