Republicans and evangelicals

[The_Professor]

Lanya: "Lots of time is spent railing against homosexuality and abortion. My point was simply, there are other sins. We are all sinners.
  Those are not the Big Two of Sins.
 It seems odd that some  churches view them to be the most important. "

Probably because YOURS doesn't. It's cool. Some churches see these indicative of moral decay, e.g. a drifting away from Biblical values. I have a good friend who goes to a Presbyterian Church. They are not as concerned with these issues as they see them as not as crucial since, after all, the Bible needs to reflect today's vales so that it is more relevant to all.

I happen to see that as moral and Scriptural apostasy, but they don't. The wonder of denominations, I suppose. We will all find out "at our appointed time".

[Plane]

  How exactly does cross checking with another tecnique confirm that one tecnique was accurate without first proveing that the other tecnique was?

All dating techniques have been proven to be accurate within their margin of error by documented objects. We do have objects created from natural products that are dated, you know.

If all forces changed together would the change be noticeable to us?

The four fundamental forces are a by-product of the creation of the universe. If they were different, the whole universe would be different. Under some theories, they are even considered seperate dimensions, much like time in the Einsteinian view of the universe.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/forces/funfor.html#c4

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/980127c.html

http://library.thinkquest.org/27930/forces.htm


I had to read up on this , the experts do seem to agree with you about the weak force and its meaning in nuclear decay.


I still can quibble , remains of a creature that lives in an environment richer in carbon 14 will seem younger than it truely is and a a creature that lives in an environment depleated of carbon 14 will seem older , are there not a lot of local effects that can cause this diffrence ?  Would a global diffrence in carbon 14 levels be impossible?

Tree ring analisis is gradually reaching further back in time as more very old samples are found , but there is not going to be an unbroken chain of overlapping samples reaching back to the precambrian , what is the greatest potential of tree rings to reach the past?

[Amianthus]

Tree ring analisis is gradually reaching further back in time as more very old samples are found , but there is not going to be an unbroken chain of overlapping samples reaching back to the precambrian , what is the greatest potential of tree rings to reach the past?

There are lots of fossilized trees; however, since C-14 dating is not valid into the Precambrian anyway, it's not required to reach back that far.

[Lanya]

Probably because YOURS doesn't. It's cool. Some churches see these indicative of moral decay, e.g. a drifting away from Biblical values. I have a good friend who goes to a Presbyterian Church. They are not as concerned with these issues as they see them as not as crucial since, after all, the Bible needs to reflect today's vales so that it is more relevant to all.

I happen to see that as moral and Scriptural apostasy, but they don't. The wonder of denominations, I suppose. We will all find out "at our appointed time".

Divorce might also be viewed as indicative of moral decay.  In some churches, women would be scandalized if one of their members were to wear pants, braid their hair, wear jewelry, or use makeup.  Only long skirts and long hair for women. 

It seems too easy to make the moral decay indicator something that only affects a small percent of the population.  Why not dwell on who's divorced, and who isn't?  Who gets porn, and who doesn't? Who drinks to excess, etc.? Who lies? Who cheats on their spouses?   Goodness, we just have a whole lot of checking up on other people, let's get busy.

Or we could just be a Christian our own selves, show love to everyone.....

[The_Professor]

I TOTALLY agree that we should shower LOVE on everyone, regardless of their actions, orientation, etc. After all, WWJD?

We all fall short of the Glory of God. We need to, ourselves, clean up our own acts. I see this as a continual process throughout life. Do you agree?

[Lanya]

I do agree.  And fall short, way short.

[sirs]

I do agree.  And fall short, way short.

And yet, with that concession, that we all fall short, still doesn't abolish God's command that we do judge others by their actions, and deem them as right vs wrong, good vs evil.  It's at the heart of what we teach our Children, and their Children's children

[kimba1]

Anyway, many of these old fashioned values, if followed, would solve many of society's ills. For example, homsexuality used to be considered anathema for some very good reasons, not only Biblical.

the reason old fashion value are disappearing is people took them for granted and when that happen it will go away.
ex. when a man open a door for a lady and she treats it as a given(no thank you).
of course it`ll go away
also the fact those values are  flawed
is it right to treat anyone as a anathema?
remember wanting the old values back is how the taliban came to be.

[Lanya]

I do agree.  And fall short, way short.

And yet, with that concession, that we all fall short, still doesn't abolish God's command that we do judge others by their actions, and deem them as right vs wrong, good vs evil.  It's at the heart of what we teach our Children, and their Children's children

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Well, the Bible is contradictory.  Jesus said,  Judge not, lest you be judged.  Right?
And there is a quote somewhere from Jesus that says to preach to people, and if you find they are not responsive to your words, you shake the dust from your sandals and leave. 
You don't rail at them and judge them.   You go on and preach somewhere else so maybe someone else's life can be changed by hearing the Good News. 
)This is all in the realm of preaching, mind you: Not in the judicial realm at all, where as a society we have to have laws and trials and judgements, etc.)

[sirs]

Well, the Bible is contradictory.  Jesus said,  Judge not, lest you be judged.  Right?

Yea, as it relates to who's going to be accepted to Heaven or not.  Yea, i got that

And there is a quote somewhere from Jesus that says to preach to people, and if you find they are not responsive to your words, you shake the dust from your sandals and leave

Yea, ...................and?  Still doesn't remove our obligation to judge if the person is good or bad, right or wrong.  Only not to judge who's going to heaven or not.  Have you not judged Bush to be bad, even possibly evil?  Was not Hitler evil?  Is that NOT a judgement?

You don't rail at them and judge them.

Fine, don't.  No one is forcing you to.  I've already conceded there are some who get overt & obnoxious in their judging others.  Me, on the other hand, am going to follow God's commandments to the best of my non-perfect Human ability, while judging how well others are doing the same.  If they sin, I'm going to call them on that, just as I would expect others to do to me, when I fall short

[_JS]

The issue here concerning sexuality is not one of "choice." That is mostly an irrelevant point. I think we can all agree that attractions are biological or biochemical responses. From what I've read here, the choice is what one does with those responses. As Sirs indicates, one can be attracted to an individual, but that does not mean that one has to have a relationship with that individual.

So, the real question is: what would those of you who do criticize homosexuality suggest that people with an attraction towards members of the same gender do with their life?

Are you suggesting that heterosexual individuals have an inherent right to be married and have a physical relationship with their partner whereas homosexual individuals have no such right?

What do they have? Should they be treated for an illness? Should they live their lives in chastity and beg forgiveness for their attractions? What should they do?

Where should the state step in? What should it do?

Where should your church step in? What should it do?

[kimba1]

marraige does not require the couple to be attracted to each other
in fact It never did.

[sirs]

The issue here concerning sexuality is not one of "choice." That is mostly an irrelevant point. I think we can all agree that attractions are biological or biochemical responses. From what I've read here, the choice is what one does with those responses.  So, the real question is: what would those of you who do criticize homosexuality suggest that people with an attraction towards members of the same gender do with their life?

A) The notion of "choice" is absolutely relevent to this discussion
B) What would those of you who do criticize Adultery suggest to those people with an attaction to someone already married, do with their life?

[_JS]

marraige does not require the couple to be attracted to each other in fact It never did.

True kimba, and marriage does not require happiness either. But it certainly helps if both exist within the marriage.

A) The notion of "choice" is absolutely relevent to this discussion
B) What would those of you who do criticize Adultery suggest to those people with an attaction to someone already married, do with their life?

You could try answering the questions without the question in response. I don't see that choice plays any role. Clearly a choice exists. Yet, I think you'll agree that not many of us have the ability to live a chaste life. So what options are you leaving for individuals attracted to their own gender?

[kimba1]

actually that make it different
homosexuality is general attraction
adultry is specific
I am attracted to someone
but i just don`t do anything about it
but I can`t stop being attracted females
My mayor is known to be a goodlooking guy
he dated sofia milos from csi-miami
but I`m not attracted to him and i can`t make myself be.
the choice aint there.
but it would be cool though
he`s rich and he goes to the best parties
but ain`t gonna happen