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Cheney part 3
« on: June 26, 2007, 01:17:25 AM »
Excerpted from Part 3 of the Cheney story in the Washington Post:

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A few days later, Cheney was "on fire" when he met with the president, Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, later told Conda. Cheney had decided that the best way to shake business leaders out of their post-attack paralysis was to let them immediately write off the cost of new plants and equipment. After hearing him out, Bush made Cheney's idea a centerpiece of his plan.

In previous administrations, such initiatives typically have been generated by the Treasury Department or the White House economic team. But Cheney has made the vice president's office a hub of tax policy, enabled by the fact that "this president appears to want to have Treasury take the orders from the White House," said John H. Makin, an economist and an informal Cheney adviser.

All this put Cheney in a position to outflank some of Bush's top advisers, and even his old friend Greenspan, to shape the administration's signature tax package: the 2003 cuts that Cheney sold at the Greenbrier resort in West Virginia.

'The President Made the Call'

As far as Greenspan knew, the vice president agreed with him on the danger of the tax package Bush was contemplating. The Federal Reserve chairman worried that the sheer size of the cuts would drown the federal budget in red ink.

When Bush met with Alan Greenspan, Cheney was almost always present. Behind the scenes, the vice president took steps to undermine a study the Federal Reserve chairman gave him that could threaten the 2003 tax cuts.

Cheney and Greenspan met regularly, far more often than the Fed chief met with Bush, according to interviews and Greenspan's calendar. And when the president did meet with Greenspan, Cheney was nearly always in the room.

The vice president and the Fed chairman had formed a close bond when both served in the Ford administration. The Fed chief saw the vice president as a conduit to a president he did not know nearly as well, someone he could trust to fairly present his views to Bush.

So Greenspan sent Cheney a study by one of the central bank's senior economists showing that big deficits lead to higher long-term interest rates, according to a person with firsthand knowledge. Higher rates, Greenspan believed, would wipe out any short-term benefit from a tax cut.

In subsequent meetings with the Fed chief, Cheney never took issue with the study. What Greenspan did not know was that, behind the scenes, the vice president took steps to undermine an argument that could threaten the big tax cut he favored. Conda, the vice president's aide, said Cheney asked him to critique the study. Conda attached his own memo arguing that the Fed's analytical model was flawed. He said "it wasn't my job to know" what Cheney did with the paperwork, but noted that Greenspan's study did not gain traction inside the White House.

Aside from Greenspan, Cheney had faced down opposition from many of the administration's senior economic voices, including Daniels, Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill and Commerce Secretary Donald L. Evans. They believed that the economy was recovering and that a deep tax cut wasn't needed. Daniels said he worried that it would undermine the GOP message of fiscal discipline.

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Re: Cheney part 3
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2007, 01:23:05 AM »
Notice how the conservatives are ignoring these articles?

And when they don't ignore them, they are dismissive of them?

Cheney is everything we've been saying about him and worse, but to his sycophants here, he can do no wrong.

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Re: Cheney part 3
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2007, 01:29:17 AM »
Personally i don't see what the big deal is. It's a good thing to have conflicting views within an administratration.

So what if Cheney prevails moreso than others.


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Re: Cheney part 3
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2007, 01:39:01 AM »
Right, right, BT.  No big deal...

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Re: Cheney part 3
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2007, 07:35:59 AM »
Notice how the conservatives are ignoring these articles?

Because it's just a case of molehills -> mountains?
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Re: Cheney part 3
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2007, 09:53:32 AM »
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Right, right, BT.  No big deal...

Far as i can see it isn't.

Perhaps you can explain why one persons argument prevailing over another's is somehow sinister.

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Re: Cheney part 3
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2007, 01:47:49 PM »
Personally i don't see what the big deal is. It's a good thing to have conflicting views within an administratration.

So what if Cheney prevails moreso than others.
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So it'd be a good thing if Hitler or Stalin were members of the Administration?
More diversity than just hiring Condi.

And so what if Adolf or Josef's views would prevail?

Well, no, nein and nyet.


Cheney is an evil member of the Military Defense Complex. His views pretty much all SUCK DONKEYHONKS.

We'd be better off if they cuffed the vile old bugger to his fourposter in his undisclosed location for the duration. Or forever.
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Re: Cheney part 3
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2007, 02:11:12 PM »
Cheney is neither Stalin nor Hitler except perhaps in your fevered brain.


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Re: Cheney part 3
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2007, 03:22:41 PM »
You have missed the point.

I did not say Cheney was Hitler or Stalin. I was merely usihg them to make the point that it is not always true that "It's a good thing to have conflicting views within an administratration."

Because this depends on the conflicting views in question.

Cheney's views have not been a good thing.

Luckily, Cheney will never have the power that Stalin or Hitler had.

But people will lose their lives because of his incompetent bungling, just as people lost their lives due to Hitler or Stalin's actions.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2007, 03:25:09 PM by Xavier_Onassis »
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Re: Cheney part 3
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2007, 03:43:25 PM »
The point you were making was as long as Cheney's views prevailed that that was a bad thing , comparable to the extremes of Stalin or Hitler vs a difference of opinion on the par of Nixon vs Kennedy.

I disagree.

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Re: Cheney part 3
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2007, 03:49:51 PM »
Nixon and Kennedy seemed to disagree mosly over the fact that Nixon thought that he should be president, while Nixon thought that he was more deserving.

Cheney's opinions tend more toward using violence and force rather than diplomacy, of the two, the former has been the worse of the two.

But the main point was that the fact that Cheney had a difference of opinion was a good thing.

This is not true, because Cheney's opinions are those of a warmongering wacko, and one who was too cowardly to go to a worthless war as a soldier when he had the chance to boot.

If the Great Dicko had shot his last wad at Khe Sanh when in the flower of his horney youth, I wager we would all be better off.
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Re: Cheney part 3
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2007, 05:10:14 PM »
I think we're meant to think that if only that mean Mr. Cheney were gone, everything would be better.

He's such a bad influence on George, etc. etc. 

I wonder if this is Bush's stab at a legacy: "At least I wasn't Cheney!" 
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Re: Cheney part 3
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2007, 05:36:31 PM »
I think we're meant to think that if only that mean Mr. Cheney were gone, everything would be better.

I thought Rove was the brain behind the administration?
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Re: Cheney part 3
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2007, 06:21:03 PM »
I think we're meant to think that if only that mean Mr. Cheney were gone, everything would be better.

He's such a bad influence on George, etc. etc. 

I wonder if this is Bush's stab at a legacy: "At least I wasn't Cheney!" 

If Cheney were so influential he would kill this plot before it started.


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Re: Cheney part 3
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2007, 07:39:56 PM »
When Lugar told Nixon it was over, it was only a few weeks before Nixon fled in disgrace.
Lugar is clearly very influential.


Cheney is the political maven, who decides how the New World Order will be implemented.
Rove is the political strategy, who decides the manner by which political favor can be finagled, since Cheney is unlikeable.

Juniorbush is officially the guy in charge, who is supposed to be the "decider", but he is not bright enough to plot a massive strategy. In reality, he is an amenable oaf, a willing idiot who will do as he is told.

Since Rummy was canned, Cheney has lost favor with the oligarchy. At one time he might have thwarted any plans to withdraw from Iraq.


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