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Lanya

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Resegregate
« on: June 29, 2007, 01:28:37 AM »
Editorial
Resegregation Now

Published: June 29, 2007

The Supreme Court ruled 53 years ago in Brown v. Board of Education that segregated education is inherently unequal, and it ordered the nation?s schools to integrate. Yesterday, the court switched sides and told two cities that they cannot take modest steps to bring public school students of different races together. It was a sad day for the court and for the ideal of racial equality.

Since 1954, the Supreme Court has been the nation?s driving force for integration. Its orders required segregated buses and public buildings, parks and playgrounds to open up to all Americans. It wasn?t always easy: governors, senators and angry mobs talked of massive resistance. But the court never wavered, and in many of the most important cases it spoke unanimously.

Yesterday, the court?s radical new majority turned its back on that proud tradition in a 5-4 ruling, written by Chief Justice John Roberts. It has been some time since the court, which has grown more conservative by the year, did much to compel local governments to promote racial integration. But now it is moving in reverse, broadly ordering the public schools to become more segregated.

Justice Anthony Kennedy, who provided the majority?s fifth vote, reined in the ruling somewhat by signing only part of the majority opinion and writing separately to underscore that some limited programs that take race into account are still acceptable. But it is unclear how much room his analysis will leave, in practice, for school districts to promote integration. His unwillingness to uphold Seattle?s and Louisville?s relatively modest plans is certainly a discouraging sign.

In an eloquent dissent, Justice Stephen Breyer explained just how sharp a break the decision is with history. The Supreme Court has often ordered schools to use race-conscious remedies, and it has unanimously held that deciding to make assignments based on race ?to prepare students to live in a pluralistic society? is ?within the broad discretionary powers of school authorities.?

Chief Justice Roberts, who assured the Senate at his confirmation hearings that he respected precedent, and Brown in particular, eagerly set these precedents aside. The right wing of the court also tossed aside two other principles they claim to hold dear. Their campaign for ?federalism,? or scaling back federal power so states and localities have more authority, argued for upholding the Seattle and Louisville, Ky., programs. So did their supposed opposition to ?judicial activism.? This decision is the height of activism: federal judges relying on the Constitution to tell elected local officials what to do.

The nation is getting more diverse, but by many measures public schools are becoming more segregated. More than one in six black children now attend schools that are 99 to 100 percent minority. This resegregation is likely to get appreciably worse as a result of the court?s ruling.

There should be no mistaking just how radical this decision is. In dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens said it was his ?firm conviction that no Member of the Court that I joined in 1975 would have agreed with today?s decision.? He also noted the ?cruel irony? of the court relying on Brown v. Board of Education while robbing that landmark ruling of much of its force and spirit. The citizens of Louisville and Seattle, and the rest of the nation, can ponder the majority?s kind words about Brown as they get to work today making their schools, and their cities, more segregated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/29/opinion/29fri1.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
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Re: Resegregate
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2007, 02:42:59 AM »
What over the top utter nonsense.


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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2007, 03:59:26 AM »
Strange how a ruling that basically states schools should not use race as a factor for enrollment & to be largely colorblind in how they deal with children, is some defacto 60's racial segregation ruling.

How is a ruling not to use race in schools' decision making supposedly pushing race as their decision maker (i.e resegregation)?  How is that illogical leap made, since I don't get it    ???    Perhaps Lanya can use someone else's words to explain that to me
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Re: Resegregate
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2007, 11:10:15 AM »
Don?t Mourn Brown v. Board of Education
By JUAN WILLIAMS

Washington

LET us now praise the Brown decision. Let us now bury the Brown decision.

With yesterday?s Supreme Court ruling ending the use of voluntary schemes to create racial balance among students, it is time to acknowledge that Brown?s time has passed. It is worthy of a send-off with fanfare for setting off the civil rights movement and inspiring social progress for women, gays and the poor. But the decision in Brown v. Board of Education that focused on outlawing segregated schools as unconstitutional is now out of step with American political and social realities.

Desegregation does not speak to dropout rates that hover near 50 percent for black and Hispanic high school students. It does not equip society to address the so-called achievement gap between black and white students that mocks Brown?s promise of equal educational opportunity.

And the fact is, during the last 20 years, with Brown in full force, America?s public schools have been growing more segregated ? even as the nation has become more racially diverse. In 2001, the National Center for Education Statistics reported that the average white student attends a school that is 80 percent white, while 70 percent of black students attend schools where nearly two-thirds of students are black and Hispanic.

By the early ?90s, support in the federal courts for the central work of Brown ? racial integration of public schools ? began to rapidly expire. In a series of cases in Atlanta, Oklahoma City and Kansas City, Mo., frustrated parents, black and white, appealed to federal judges to stop shifting children from school to school like pieces on a game board. The parents wanted better neighborhood schools and a better education for their children, no matter the racial make-up of the school. In their rulings ending court mandates for school integration, the judges, too, spoke of the futility of using schoolchildren to address social ills caused by adults holding fast to patterns of residential segregation by both class and race.

The focus of efforts to improve elementary and secondary schools shifted to magnet schools, to allowing parents the choice to move their children out of failing schools and, most recently, to vouchers and charter schools. The federal No Child Left Behind plan has many critics, but there?s no denying that it is an effective tool for forcing teachers? unions and school administrators to take responsibility for educating poor and minority students.

It was an idealistic Supreme Court that in 1954 approved of Brown as a race-conscious policy needed to repair the damage of school segregation and protect every child?s 14th-Amendment right to equal treatment under law. In 1971, Chief Justice Warren Burger, writing for a unanimous court still embracing Brown, said local school officials could make racial integration a priority even if it did not improve educational outcomes because it helped ?to prepare students to live in a pluralistic society.?

But today a high court with a conservative majority concludes that any policy based on race ? no matter how well intentioned ? is a violation of every child?s 14th-Amendment right to be treated as an individual without regard to race. We?ve come full circle.

In 1990, after months of interviews with Justice Thurgood Marshall, who had been the lead lawyer for the N.A.A.C.P. Legal Defense Fund on the Brown case, I sat in his Supreme Court chambers with a final question. Almost 40 years later, was he satisfied with the outcome of the decision? Outside the courthouse, the failing Washington school system was hypersegregated, with more than 90 percent of its students black and Latino. Schools in the surrounding suburbs, meanwhile, were mostly white and producing some of the top students in the nation.

Had Mr. Marshall, the lawyer, made a mistake by insisting on racial integration instead of improvement in the quality of schools for black children?

His response was that seating black children next to white children in school had never been the point. It had been necessary only because all-white school boards were generously financing schools for white children while leaving black students in overcrowded, decrepit buildings with hand-me-down books and underpaid teachers. He had wanted black children to have the right to attend white schools as a point of leverage over the biased spending patterns of the segregationists who ran schools ? both in the 17 states where racially separate schools were required by law and in other states where they were a matter of culture.

If black children had the right to be in schools with white children, Justice Marshall reasoned, then school board officials would have no choice but to equalize spending to protect the interests of their white children.

Racial malice is no longer the primary motive in shaping inferior schools for minority children. Many failing big city schools today are operated by black superintendents and mostly black school boards.

And today the argument that school reform should provide equal opportunity for children, or prepare them to live in a pluralistic society, is spent. The winning argument is that better schools are needed for all children ? black, white, brown and every other hue ? in order to foster a competitive workforce in a global economy.

Dealing with racism and the bitter fruit of slavery and ?separate but equal? legal segregation was at the heart of the court?s brave decision 53 years ago. With Brown officially relegated to the past, the challenge for brave leaders now is to deliver on the promise of a good education for every child.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/29/opinion/29williams.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print

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Re: Resegregate
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2007, 11:15:10 AM »
I just read the report of the Supreme Court's decision in today's Wall Street Journal.  It's absolutely sickening.  As I understand the case, schools no longer have to be racially diversified.  Diversity can come in non-racial flavours - - socieoeconomic for example.

If a school has rich whites and poor whites but no blacks or Asians, it is "diverse" even though uniracial.  This is obviously going to mean the end of many racially integrated schools and a giant rebirth of racially segregated schools across the country.  The effects of Brown v. Topeka Board will be rolled back, if not to zero, at least to the half-way mark and probably way past that.  This is a truly sad, sad day for America.

It's funny, when the Bush administration's small steps towards a racist, fascist America were duly noted, all the "conservatives" denounced the protest as "alarmist" and "hyperbolic."  When a giant step is taken, as here, backwards to the racist Amerikkka of the 1950s and 1960s, the same conservative voices belittle the protest, "Nothing to see here, folks, keep moving."

This is EXACTLY the pattern of the development of Nazi Germany; small steps, all in one direction, and each one, according to the "conservatives" of the time, "NBD."

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Re: Resegregate
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2007, 11:27:37 AM »
<<How is that illogical leap made, since I don't get it>>

LOTTA things you don't get, sirs.  However, this one should be relatively easy to get, even for you.

The logic you fell for assumes that schoolboard racial policy is the ONLY way by which segregation can be effected.  It completely ignores that socioeconomic factors, by affecting housing opportunities, can create residential segregation, which in turn will almost automatically lead to school segregation.

While the socieoeconomic factors that lead to ghettoization or residential segregaton are too complex to be easily rectified by government regulation, school segregation is relatively easy to rectify.  The proof of that is that much greater inroads have been made in rolliing back school segregation than in rolling back residential segregation.

What Justice Roberts is saying in effect is, we'll ignore race in setting school admissions policy and student-body diversity policy; what he's not saying is, we've already ignored race by not bothering to analyze the racial composition of the neighbourhoods around the schools.  He's totally silent about the racial composition of the neighbourhoods around the schools (which are largely de facto segregated) and by refusing to allow race to factor into the schools' admissions policies, he's allowing them in fact to be determined by the racial composition of the surrounding areas.  Which will inevitably lead to monoracial schools in most of the country.  Making all the racists in the Republican Party very, very happy that their kids won't have to go to school with blacks any more.    Which is the reason why they're in the party in the first place. 

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Re: Resegregate
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2007, 11:56:31 AM »
How can a colorblind assignments of students to schools be considered racist.



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Re: Resegregate
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2007, 12:26:04 PM »
How can a colorblind assignments of students to schools be considered racist.

That was my question, that Tee so expertly danced all around by claiming it was an apparent stealth racially motivated decision, to remove race from the decision making.  That not taking into account family's economic rationale's is defacto racist, since in his world all blacks are poor and all whites are rich, as well as apparently racist if they live in the south and/or happen to be Republican.
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2007, 12:44:45 PM »
What the pro-forced-desegregation folks don't seem to realize is that there is a movement to have what are called black-focused schools. That is, schools that are focused on educating African-American students from an African-American perspective. Not that this would be forced segregation, mind you, because even the people proposing these schools recognize that the choice for where a student goes to school is a decision that should be left to the parents. Yeah, that's right. The parents, not the school board. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2007, 01:20:58 PM »
Excellent points, Prince.  Reminds me also if these schools here in CA, specifically some of these charter schools, promoting either African American emphasis in their curriculum or worse, Mexican emphasis.  Now, before anyone jumps all over me with those last 2 references, my point is would folks support an emphasis in the curriculim of Euopean Caucasion??  Of course not, that would be tantamout to racist.  Emphasising 1 race over all others.  There's a charter school in the L.A. area that specifically targets mexican children, with it's principle advocating a curriculum teaching them how this land (CA) should still belong to Mexico, how their language should primarily be Mexican, and how wrong White America is (directly accusing America of being a Racist country....Tee should love that school.  Heck, he might even be a guest speaker for all I know)

Good points though, Prince
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Re: Resegregate
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2007, 01:32:28 PM »
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Yeah, that's right. The parents, not the school board. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

I'll tell a little story and maybe it will mean something.

I grew up with many ethnic groups in my schools. This came from being an army brat and then living in a city with a decent percentage of blacks. I'll be honest, I never understood what all the fuss was about. I had black friends and white friends (there weren't as many Hispanics at that time). We even had a few Native Americans.

When I met my wife, it struck me as truly amazing that she went to school (grade school, middle, and High School) with one black girl. That girl's family was not so politely told to leave the community. More amazing is that only a couple of miles away are high percentages of black communities. This was not the 1960's, but the 1980's and 1990's. This was not the backwoods, but just outside of Knoxville.

I've met a lot more people since that time who have gone to school and never even known a black person until they went to college, or moved to a big city.

Multiculturalism takes a lot of heat these days. It is considered a "liberal" nutty idea. To be honest sometimes the people who celebrate it don't do it any favors. On the other hand I've seen and heard people on this site and out and about who have made some of the nastiest comments about Muslims, Arabs, Pakistanis, Jews, etc and have never known one or even met one in their lives, let alone sat down and discussed religion, philosophy, or just life with them.

So no. I think this decision was awful. As Bt's article said the old decision may be "out of step with American political and social realities." It probably was. But I think that is a sad testament to America, not to Brown v. Topeka.
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Re: Resegregate
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2007, 02:16:07 PM »
JS

Perhaps the confusions arises from certain elements falsely painting this decision as a reversal of Brown.

It isn't.

State ordered segregated schools are still disallowed by law.

I also attended integrated schools alll my life. In Pennsylvania California and even Georgia as we got here in 1964.

I even attended school with a sizable Hispanic  population, mostly the first wave of Cubans.

So it has never been a big deal with me.




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Re: Resegregate
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2007, 02:16:48 PM »
Yesterday's decision, as the import of Juan William's NYT opinion piece (provided above by BT) says, is defensible if not thoroughly wise. Race, as Justice Kennedy insists, though for true exceptions, should be available as a device to enhance an educational environment burdened by racial ignorance and neglect. How Kennedy's caveat plays out with the clear impetus running the other way is a tenuous matter, yet to be seen.

But the conundrums, as much as they lie in the idyllic coil of neighborhood schools with kids frolicking to class, focused on their studies and carefree of wider political concerns, emanate from the cause of unequal educational performance. The guiding rationale for Brown was to rectify the effects of segregation in officially, legally-segregated school districts. As the late Justice Marshall, the lead attorney for the black students in Brown, said in the Juan William's article, the root aim in that litigation was to exert leverage on white school administrators to equalize funding for black and white students in formerly racially-segregated districts. The first thing to note, however, is that the target of Brown was legally-segregated school districts. Though many more fell within the sweep as the remedy unfolded, the aim of the decision could have no other: it was limited by the "state action" requirement of the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause.

What was not embraced by Brown was diversity for diversity's sake, at least a tacit argument presented by the case decided yesterday. To embrace that (note: I haven't read Justice Breyer's dissent yet as to how he approaches that problem), as I now conceive it, one would have to put forth a much broader theory of the effects of America's racial history, to wit, slavery, Jim Crow discrimination, and de facto second-citizen status have "culturally" harmed blacks on a broad basis and in a way that lingers yet. I favor this conception of the problem as ringing with reality, but Chief Justice Roberts et al. see it as antithetical to the new reality represented by Condi Rice, Colin Powell and Clarence Thomas.


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Re: Resegregate
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2007, 12:17:32 AM »

Now, before anyone jumps all over me with those last 2 references, my point is would folks support an emphasis in the curriculim of Euopean Caucasion??


I might if meant the students learned how to spell 'curriculum', 'European' and 'Caucasian'.

That's a joke, folks.



Good points though, Prince


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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2007, 12:25:45 AM »
Now, before anyone jumps all over me with those last 2 references, my point is would folks support an emphasis in the curriculim of Euopean Caucasion??

I might if meant the students learned how to spell 'curriculum', 'European' and 'Caucasian'.

That's a joke, folks.



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