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Good bye Tammy Faye
« on: July 22, 2007, 03:17:22 AM »
Ironic that this should come today, I just saw a thing about her on one of those tabloid news shows, where she did the interview with Larry King.  She looked awful but was in good spirits.

Tammy Faye Messner dies at 65
By STEVE HARTSOE, Associated Press Writer

 


RALEIGH, N.C. - Tammy Faye Messner, who as Tammy Faye Bakker helped her husband, Jim, build a multimillion-dollar evangelism empire and then watched it collapse in disgrace, has died. She was 65.


 
Messner had battled colon cancer since 1996 that more recently spread to her lungs. She died peacefully Friday at her home near Kansas City, Mo., said Joe Spotts, her manager and booking agent.

A family service was held Saturday in a private cemetery, where her ashes were interred, he said.

She had frequently spoken about her medical problems, saying she hoped to be an inspiration to others. "Don't let fear rule your life," she said. "Live one day at a time, and never be afraid." But she told well-wishers in a note on her Web site in May that the doctors had stopped trying to treat the cancer.

In an interview with CNN's Larry King two months later, an emaciated Messner ? still using her trademark makeup ? said, "I believe when I leave this earth, because I love the Lord, I'm going straight to heaven." Asked if she had any regrets, Messner said: "I don't think about it, Larry, because it's a waste of good brain space."

For many, the TV image of then-Mrs. Bakker forgiving husband Jim's infidelities, tears streaking her cheeks with mascara, became a symbol for the wages of greed and hypocrisy in 1980s America.

She divorced her husband of 30 years, with whom she had two children, in 1992 while he was in prison for defrauding millions from followers of their PTL television ministries. The letters stood for "Praise the Lord" or "People that Love."

Jim Bakker said in a statement that his ex-wife "lived her life like the song she sang, 'If Life Hands You a Lemon, Make Lemonade.'"

"She is now in Heaven with her mother and grandmother and Jesus Christ, the one who she loves and has served from childbirth," he said. "That is the comfort I can give to all who loved her."

Messner's second husband also served time in prison. She married Roe Messner, who had been the chief builder of the Bakkers' Heritage USA Christian theme park near Fort Mill, S.C., in 1993. In 1995, he was convicted of bankruptcy fraud, and he spent about two years in prison.

Through it all, Messner kept plugging her faith and herself. She did concerts, a short-lived secular TV talk show and an inspirational videotape. In 2004, she cooperated in the making of a documentary about her struggle with cancer, called "Tammy Faye: Death Defying."

"I wanted to help people ... maybe show the inside (of the experience) and make it a little less frightening," she said.

More recently, Tammy Faye kept in the public eye via her Web site.

"I cry out to the Lord knowing that many of you are praying for me," Messner wrote in a July 16 post in which she indicated she weighed 65 pounds. "In spite of it all, I get dressed and go out to eat. ... I crave hamburgers and french fries with LOTS of ketchup! When I can eat that again, it will be a day of victory!"

In 2004, she appeared on the WB reality show "The Surreal Life," co-starring with rapper Vanilla Ice, ex-porn star Ron Jeremy and others. She told King in 2004 that she didn't know who Jeremy was when they met and they became friends.

Messner was never charged with a crime in connection with the Bakker scandal. She said she counted the costs in other ways.

"I know what it's like to hit rock bottom," she said in promotional material for her 1996 video "You Can Make It."

In the mid-1980s, the Bakkers were on top, ruling over a ministry that claimed 500,000 followers. Their "Jim and Tammy Show," part TV talk show, part evangelism meeting, was seen across the country. Heritage USA boasted a 500-room hotel, shopping mall, convention center, water-amusement park, TV studio and several real-estate developments. PTL employed about 2,000 people.

Then in March 1987, Bakker resigned, admitting he had a tryst with Jessica Hahn, a 32-year-old former church secretary.

Tammy Faye Bakker stuck with her disgraced husband through five stormy years of tabloid headlines as the ministry unraveled.

Prosecutors said the PTL organization sold more than 150,000 "lifetime partnerships" promising lodging at the theme park but did not build enough hotel space with the $158 million in proceeds. At his fraud trial, Jim Bakker was accused of diverting $3.7 million to personal use even though he knew the ministry was financially shaky. Trial testimony showed PTL paid $265,000 to Hahn to cover up the sexual encounter with the minister.

Jim Bakker was convicted in 1989 of 24 fraud and conspiracy counts and sentenced to 45 years. The sentence was later reduced, and he was freed in 1994. He said that his wife's decision to leave him had been "like a meat hook deep in my heart. I couldn't eat for days."

While not charged, his then-wife shared during the 1980s in the public criticism and ridicule over the couple's extravagance, including the reportedly gold-plated bathroom fixtures and an air-conditioned doghouse.

There was even a popular T-shirt satirizing her image. The shirt read, "I ran into Tammy Faye at the shopping mall," with the lettering on top of what look like clots of mascara, traces of lipstick and smudges of peach-toned makeup.

In a 1992 letter to her New Covenant Church in Orlando, Fla., she explained why she finally was seeking a divorce.

"For years I have been pretending that everything is all right, when in fact I hurt all the time," she wrote.

"I cannot pretend anymore."

In the end, there wasn't any property to divide, her attorney said. The Bakkers lost their luxury homes in North Carolina, California and Tennessee, their fleet of Cadillacs and Mercedeses, and their vintage Rolls-Royce.

Her autobiography, "I Gotta Be Me," recounts a childhood as Tammy Faye LaValley, one of eight children of a poor family in International Falls, Minn. Her biological father walked out. She was reticent about her age, but a 2000 profile of her in the Star Tribune of Minneapolis said she was born in March 1942.

She recalled trying eye makeup for the first time, then wiping it off for fear it was the devil's work. Then she thought again.

"Why can't I do this?" she asked. "If it makes me look prettier, why can't I do this?"

She married Bakker in 1961, after they met at North Central Bible College in Minneapolis. Beginning with a children's puppet act, they created a religious show that brought a fundamentalist Protestant message to millions.

A secular TV talk program, the "Jim J. and Tammy Faye Show" with co-host Jim J. Bullock, lasted just six weeks in early 1996. Shortly after it went off the air, she underwent surgery for colon cancer.

She said afterward that she endured bleeding for a year because she was embarrassed to go to a male doctor. And she wore her makeup even in surgery.

"They didn't make me take it off," she said. "I had wonderful doctors and understanding nurses. I went in fully made up and came out fully made up."

Survivors include her husband and her two children, Jamie Charles Bakker of New York City and Tammy Sue Chapman of Charlotte.

Spotts said that the family is considering a public memorial service for the coming weeks, but that nothing had been finalized Saturday.


Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070722/ap_on_re_us/obit_tammy_faye_messner;_ylt=AqA6RbXfsi7esRN1ntqSM06s0NUE

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Re: Good bye Tammy Faye
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2007, 02:24:03 PM »
Ironic that this should come today, I just saw a thing about her on one of those tabloid news shows, where she did the interview with Larry King.  She looked awful but was in good spirits.

Tammy Faye Messner dies at 65
By STEVE HARTSOE, Associated Press Writer

 


RALEIGH, N.C. - Tammy Faye Messner, who as Tammy Faye Bakker helped her husband, Jim, build a multimillion-dollar evangelism empire and then watched it collapse in disgrace, has died. She was 65.


 
Messner had battled colon cancer since 1996 that more recently spread to her lungs. She died peacefully Friday at her home near Kansas City, Mo., said Joe Spotts, her manager and booking agent.

A family service was held Saturday in a private cemetery, where her ashes were interred, he said.

She had frequently spoken about her medical problems, saying she hoped to be an inspiration to others. "Don't let fear rule your life," she said. "Live one day at a time, and never be afraid." But she told well-wishers in a note on her Web site in May that the doctors had stopped trying to treat the cancer.

In an interview with CNN's Larry King two months later, an emaciated Messner ? still using her trademark makeup ? said, "I believe when I leave this earth, because I love the Lord, I'm going straight to heaven." Asked if she had any regrets, Messner said: "I don't think about it, Larry, because it's a waste of good brain space."

For many, the TV image of then-Mrs. Bakker forgiving husband Jim's infidelities, tears streaking her cheeks with mascara, became a symbol for the wages of greed and hypocrisy in 1980s America.

She divorced her husband of 30 years, with whom she had two children, in 1992 while he was in prison for defrauding millions from followers of their PTL television ministries. The letters stood for "Praise the Lord" or "People that Love."

Jim Bakker said in a statement that his ex-wife "lived her life like the song she sang, 'If Life Hands You a Lemon, Make Lemonade.'"

"She is now in Heaven with her mother and grandmother and Jesus Christ, the one who she loves and has served from childbirth," he said. "That is the comfort I can give to all who loved her."

Messner's second husband also served time in prison. She married Roe Messner, who had been the chief builder of the Bakkers' Heritage USA Christian theme park near Fort Mill, S.C., in 1993. In 1995, he was convicted of bankruptcy fraud, and he spent about two years in prison.

Through it all, Messner kept plugging her faith and herself. She did concerts, a short-lived secular TV talk show and an inspirational videotape. In 2004, she cooperated in the making of a documentary about her struggle with cancer, called "Tammy Faye: Death Defying."

"I wanted to help people ... maybe show the inside (of the experience) and make it a little less frightening," she said.

More recently, Tammy Faye kept in the public eye via her Web site.

"I cry out to the Lord knowing that many of you are praying for me," Messner wrote in a July 16 post in which she indicated she weighed 65 pounds. "In spite of it all, I get dressed and go out to eat. ... I crave hamburgers and french fries with LOTS of ketchup! When I can eat that again, it will be a day of victory!"

In 2004, she appeared on the WB reality show "The Surreal Life," co-starring with rapper Vanilla Ice, ex-porn star Ron Jeremy and others. She told King in 2004 that she didn't know who Jeremy was when they met and they became friends.

Messner was never charged with a crime in connection with the Bakker scandal. She said she counted the costs in other ways.

"I know what it's like to hit rock bottom," she said in promotional material for her 1996 video "You Can Make It."

In the mid-1980s, the Bakkers were on top, ruling over a ministry that claimed 500,000 followers. Their "Jim and Tammy Show," part TV talk show, part evangelism meeting, was seen across the country. Heritage USA boasted a 500-room hotel, shopping mall, convention center, water-amusement park, TV studio and several real-estate developments. PTL employed about 2,000 people.

Then in March 1987, Bakker resigned, admitting he had a tryst with Jessica Hahn, a 32-year-old former church secretary.

Tammy Faye Bakker stuck with her disgraced husband through five stormy years of tabloid headlines as the ministry unraveled.

Prosecutors said the PTL organization sold more than 150,000 "lifetime partnerships" promising lodging at the theme park but did not build enough hotel space with the $158 million in proceeds. At his fraud trial, Jim Bakker was accused of diverting $3.7 million to personal use even though he knew the ministry was financially shaky. Trial testimony showed PTL paid $265,000 to Hahn to cover up the sexual encounter with the minister.

Jim Bakker was convicted in 1989 of 24 fraud and conspiracy counts and sentenced to 45 years. The sentence was later reduced, and he was freed in 1994. He said that his wife's decision to leave him had been "like a meat hook deep in my heart. I couldn't eat for days."

While not charged, his then-wife shared during the 1980s in the public criticism and ridicule over the couple's extravagance, including the reportedly gold-plated bathroom fixtures and an air-conditioned doghouse.

There was even a popular T-shirt satirizing her image. The shirt read, "I ran into Tammy Faye at the shopping mall," with the lettering on top of what look like clots of mascara, traces of lipstick and smudges of peach-toned makeup.

In a 1992 letter to her New Covenant Church in Orlando, Fla., she explained why she finally was seeking a divorce.

"For years I have been pretending that everything is all right, when in fact I hurt all the time," she wrote.

"I cannot pretend anymore."

In the end, there wasn't any property to divide, her attorney said. The Bakkers lost their luxury homes in North Carolina, California and Tennessee, their fleet of Cadillacs and Mercedeses, and their vintage Rolls-Royce.

Her autobiography, "I Gotta Be Me," recounts a childhood as Tammy Faye LaValley, one of eight children of a poor family in International Falls, Minn. Her biological father walked out. She was reticent about her age, but a 2000 profile of her in the Star Tribune of Minneapolis said she was born in March 1942.

She recalled trying eye makeup for the first time, then wiping it off for fear it was the devil's work. Then she thought again.

"Why can't I do this?" she asked. "If it makes me look prettier, why can't I do this?"

She married Bakker in 1961, after they met at North Central Bible College in Minneapolis. Beginning with a children's puppet act, they created a religious show that brought a fundamentalist Protestant message to millions.

A secular TV talk program, the "Jim J. and Tammy Faye Show" with co-host Jim J. Bullock, lasted just six weeks in early 1996. Shortly after it went off the air, she underwent surgery for colon cancer.

She said afterward that she endured bleeding for a year because she was embarrassed to go to a male doctor. And she wore her makeup even in surgery.

"They didn't make me take it off," she said. "I had wonderful doctors and understanding nurses. I went in fully made up and came out fully made up."

Survivors include her husband and her two children, Jamie Charles Bakker of New York City and Tammy Sue Chapman of Charlotte.

Spotts said that the family is considering a public memorial service for the coming weeks, but that nothing had been finalized Saturday.


Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070722/ap_on_re_us/obit_tammy_faye_messner;_ylt=AqA6RbXfsi7esRN1ntqSM06s0NUE




I haven't seen a face like that since DC Comics.

And here I was thinking that Larry King was the poster child for looking dug up.

What is more, that craven, corrupt, nearly fleshless face emoting an uber verklempt, rubberstamp  righteousness, till the end earmarked more by hopeless mental confusion than resolute spirituality,  does more to provide yet another inadvertant litmus that the TV establishment still has no bottom in providing shock value than it does to claim of any sort of credible educational and  moral value for America.

And what legacy, finally, does she strive to impart?  Why, that wearing makeup against all odds and common sense is somehow a laudable characteristic.

Her triumph of personal victory regarding her right to remain embarassingly vain may be the key that drove the marketers to get her on the tube.

Other than TV marketeers, I can think of no other class of bottom feeder capable to utilizing such tasteless shock value to crowbar the American  public into suffering the establishment of a new threshold of poor taste.


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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2007, 02:26:11 PM »
Crosses Crane of my list of folks to deliver my eulogy.

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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2007, 03:35:50 PM »
I loved that she got on his show.  She knew how bad she looked; went on in spite of it.
  She wanted to live for a little bit.  Live it up while she still could. 
I've taken care of people who looked better than she did, and they were in hospice care.
So glad she's out of the grip of pain now.
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2007, 04:18:17 PM »
Crosses Crane of my list of folks to deliver my eulogy.

You're vain about your make-up?  ;D

(joking obviously)

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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2007, 04:19:27 PM »
I loved that she got on his show.  She knew how bad she looked; went on in spite of it.
  She wanted to live for a little bit.  Live it up while she still could. 
I've taken care of people who looked better than she did, and they were in hospice care.
So glad she's out of the grip of pain now.


Agreed!

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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2007, 04:50:40 PM »
Tammy Faye was a criminal who preyed on the sick and weak; however, in her later years, she became a sort of celebrity as happens in the US constantly.

I actually watched The Eyes of Tammy Faye and I did feel a little sorry for her and have at times found her amusing; her death is a little saddening.  When one starts speculating on the why's of horrible illness like cancer and who it affects, one is venturing into the realm of tea leaves and tarot cards, but I can't help myself from making the assumption that her death in such a horrible, extremely visual manner is as close to confirmation of Karma as I've ever seen.

It's always horrible to see the ravages of cancer and I, in no way believe that Tammy Faye deserved to get cancer or to die.  My view of the world and how it works is IN ALL THINGS, BALANCE.  And if energy is expended in such a way, then there must be some kind of reaction or balancing of the expenditure.  Tammy Faye's energy expenditure simply resulted in a reaction that should surprise no one.

If there is heaven, then I hope she gets lots of eyeliner, lip liner and accompanying pianists.

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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2007, 09:26:46 PM »
>> ... but I can't help myself from making the assumption that her death in such a horrible, extremely visual manner is as close to confirmation of Karma as I've ever seen.<<

If karma does exist,  you can expect to get some gory, lingering flesh eating disease.

You really are dispicable.

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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2007, 10:44:58 PM »
I watched the PTL show sometimes when I was spinning the dial, looking for something better.  I liked Jim Bakker and his hokey, folksy brand of Christian redemption.  I kind of liked it, Tammy Faye and all.  I knew from the get-go they were a couple of crooks, con artists in the traditional American mold of snake-oil salesmen from pre-Civil War days, but they weren't selling the kind of venomous, self-righteous, crypto-fascist brand that Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell sold, it was all pretty much a kind of feel-good, live-and-let-live brand with some really good musical backup, and some of the personal advice might actually have been helpful to the confused and the perplexed. 

Lately when I saw Tammy Faye, the word "gallant" came into my mind more than once.  She might have started out her life as a dumb hillbilly, but somewhere along the way, she acquired some wisdom and humility and never lost what I thought was a genuine desire to do good and help people.  Yes, she took and she spent, but unlike some unredeemable crooks and con artists, she appeared to want to give something back to the audience in return for what she got.

Bottom line was I liked her, and towards the end even grew to respect her.  R.I.P., Tammy Faye.

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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2007, 11:38:21 PM »
I really am not aware of anything great that she did after he fall with Jim Bakker.

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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2007, 11:47:09 PM »
I'm not saying she did anything great, it's just that she seemed to have acquired a certain amount of humility, seemed at least somewhat chastened by her experiences, spoke of them more or less openly, was willing to share them for whatever lessons could be drawn, and found the courage to go on, probably knowing that she would always be drawing some ridicule as she did.

I'm talking more about a feeling I had about her as I watched her, not some great latter-day accomplishment that's objectively discernible.    There's no question that comparing the before-the-fall and after-the-fall versions of Tammy Faye, the "after" version did seem to have learned some kind of lesson, however imperfectly.

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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2007, 02:00:04 PM »
I personally think she`s a darling person.
I have never once heard say bad things about anyone
even with subjects she greatly objected (ron jeremy)she showed respect.
it maybe fake,but I admire that

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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2007, 02:38:22 PM »
At least Jim and Tammy never told their followers to donate $8 million in order to prevent them from "being called home" as Oral Roberts did. I guess that is something.

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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2007, 03:23:14 PM »
ohh
that`s was baaad     ---lol

that was a serious low blow

I like bloom county version
for 5 million each god will call home each minister.