When is war worth the fight?

[Cynthia]

You are dealing with master manipulators, with infinite resources at their disposal, and a willingness to say whatever it takes to keep their nefarious schemes on course.  Which of course is all that I hope it really  is.



This statement could be used to describe the enemy, as well.

[Cynthia]

No one to run the country! We should have handed the baton to SOMEBODY we could watch and booked


true....thus poor planning!

[Michael Tee]

<<This statement ["You are dealing with master manipulators, with infinite resources at their disposal, and a willingness to say whatever it takes to keep their nefarious schemes on course."] could be used to describe the enemy, as well.>>

Almost, but I don't think the enemy's resources are as vast as the U.S.A.'s.  The comment, in any event, was made in the specific context of BT's allegations that the battlefield momentum seems to be swinging towards the U.S.A., which it very well may be.  For now.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Hitler I suppose was the best example of that.  The people behind Bush are another.

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Hitler in the 1930's was seen as the man who rescued Germany from the Great Depression. He addressed some of the more pressing problems, such as inflation, unemployment, class differences. He adopted a number of themes invented by Americans, such as the autobahns (the German answer of the Pennsylvania Turnpike) political propaganda (Goebbels was the Reich's answer to Mitchell Palmer), popular transportation (the Volkswagen was a modern German adaptation of the Model T). Eugenics originated with the American Margaret Sanger. He got the support of the royalists with monolithic power and the term Reich. 

Of course, antisemitism and military conquest and the colonization of Europe (Drang nach Osten) were the downfall of the Reich. Militarily, one can only call the Nazis incompetent. They were victims of their own superiority complex, and a whole generation died because of their blind loyalty to the Reich. A lot more Germans than Jews and Gypsies died because of Hitler's dedication to form a New World Order. This is not to say that as a group they were not much more deserving of their fate.

Americans are frequently told that they are superior to other people and therefore imposing our system on alien cultures like Iraq is justified. And accusing Americans of being "Treasoncrats" is quite similar in tone to what the Nazis did.

In the long run, the Swedish approach to world affairs will be seen as the best and most logical. War, violence, meddling in other's affairs and hate only produces more of the same.

[Cynthia]

I suppose that the Volkswagon and other bright star contributions are well and good as a plus in Germany's resume'in mid century 20th.......but
 the downfall of the German power machine was due to a very seriously ill man. I have yet to see such a legitimate comparison of such an illness
to Bush, albeit a silly cowboy  driven fool. Saddam Hussein was radically ill as his methods and his madness profoundly showed.
Whey do Americans tend to make such comparisons to such leaders before analysing
the true depth of such leaders such as Hitler and Stalin, Hussein in the state of mental misguidedness to the point of REALY CRAZY?
"Give Peace a Chance" as Lennon once professed in heart and song is also all well and fine....but that sells us out as being intelligent enough to know that there is an enemy out there who is NOT GIVING A DAMN ABOUT PEACE...becasue he doesn't know reality....

 Do we pull out of Iraq running because we didn't want this damn war in the first place?
Let's just all get along. Ok, we'll see how far that takes us when the terror lands on our soil or comes from underneath the existing soil. What is it going to take for people to stop bitching about Hitler, History, Hate and in the same breath slip in that we are right up there with those bastards? Who drove those planes into the Pentagon, and world trade center buildings, not to mention one on the way...aborted by the bravery of a few loving Americans who did not want to die for a promise of a few virgins in the sky? Do people think for a minute that they will negotiate/?Even Hitler had a mind to meet the masses, please the masses and hell.....murder the masses!
Craziness has never been a general in disguise until now. Gang warfare. Gangs, who have a life blood NEED to find a
way to fit into the world order through disorder. We see it in the human species all the time......Al Queda...no different.

Fit in, hate, no hope, no thought...not even your basic mental illness........hmmmm, evil, how far can we go before we start to see the signs of illness, evil, etc. ?

You guys who have studied war must have a few examples of a war that was fought on more than a madman's sick twisted desire...gang, guerilla, ....or otherwise.


Volkswagon and holocaust are apples and the saws that cut the apple trees down as comparisons.
Sure, Bush is laughed at, and he is wrong in many ways, but he had the right intention and I seriously doubt that he would have taken us into war against Saddam if it had not been for such a horrific event as 9-11. If he had taken us into war based on oil...I still say who the hell cares?? Damn....still not a Hitler, or Hussein....my god! He had a rational reason (WMD) more so that Hitler, or Hussein ever would have to enter a war. My gosh, can't we cut the dude some slack?
Hitler lied and destroyed so much and he didn't have a plan to find and eliminate any country's WMD..and he is still thought of as some kind of hero for the people.
bottom line........During Clinton's admin. we weren't able to catch the bad guy...even though the signs were there....as a woman who isn't able to see the red flags in the man she loves even though those signs are vivid and ripe. Yet, we didn't do anything of major reactions to step in.../passive democrats? I can't say. I am not either a rep or a dem.....I am an observer with the elements of common sense and room for mistakes.....all politicians need to be judged "slowly", this is ture.

All of us know someone who was affected by that day. My own sister lived and worked in DC and was just down the street from the Pentagon that day.
I have a personal reason why I feel that we are more vulnerable now than ever.....track record and horse watching.....dead or alive.
I prefer alive...and winning....

[Cynthia]

Almost, but I don't think the enemy's resources are as vast as the U.S.A.'s.  The comment, in any event, was made in the specific context of BT's allegations that the battlefield momentum seems to be swinging towards the U.S.A., which it very well may be.  For now.

For now. Let's hope for a few more "for nows".

[Plane]

Hitler I suppose was the best example of that.  The people behind Bush are another.

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Hitler in the 1930's was seen as the man who rescued Germany from the Great Depression. He addressed some of the more pressing problems, such as inflation, unemployment, class differences. He adopted a number of themes invented by Americans, such as the autobahns (the German answer of the Pennsylvania Turnpike) political propaganda (Goebbels was the Reich's answer to Mitchell Palmer), popular transportation (the Volkswagen was a modern German adaptation of the Model T). Eugenics originated with the American Margaret Sanger. He got the support of the royalists with monolithic power and the term Reich. 

Of course, antisemitism and military conquest and the colonization of Europe (Drang nach Osten) were the downfall of the Reich. Militarily, one can only call the Nazis incompetent. They were victims of their own superiority complex, and a whole generation died because of their blind loyalty to the Reich. A lot more Germans than Jews and Gypsies died because of Hitler's dedication to form a New World Order. This is not to say that as a group they were not much more deserving of their fate.

Americans are frequently told that they are superior to other people and therefore imposing our system on alien cultures like Iraq is justified. And accusing Americans of being "Treasoncrats" is quite similar in tone to what the Nazis did.

In the long run, the Swedish approach to world affairs will be seen as the best and most logical. War, violence, meddling in other's affairs and hate only produces more of the same.

"Americans are frequently told that they are superior to other people and therefore imposing our system on alien cultures like Iraq is justified. And accusing Americans of being "Treasoncrats" is quite similar in tone to what the Nazis did."

Are you quoteing anybody in paticular?

"In the long run, the Swedish approach to world affairs will be seen as the best and most logical. War, violence, meddling in other's affairs and hate only produces more of the same. "


I don't agree , the Swedes sold a lot of War materiel to the Natzis , also I don't suppose that after the world had burned down and te Natzis had won that their ntraliy would hve been still respected.

[The_Professor]

Sometimes, you can be so non-comiittal you are not good for much. Like the Swedes?

Matt 5:13: You are the salt of the earth, but if the salt has lost its flavor, with what will it be salted? It is then good for nothing, but to be cast out and trodden under the feet of men.

And

Revelation 3:15: ?I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. 16 ?So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.'