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Re: The F.B.I. ordered to pay $101,750,000
« Reply #45 on: August 02, 2007, 07:29:37 PM »
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Two or three of the men, as I recall, had ties to the Mafia, at least one did not, but none of them were kingpins.


Some background

  In ?The Underboss,? Patriarca was said to be, ?a member of the ruling Mafia commission in New York, he also had some national investments, holding hidden interests in two Las Vegas casinos and pieces of deals in Florida and Philadelphia.?
     In the wake of the Apalachin summit, the FBI began their pursuit of organized crime in earnest. When Robert Kennedy became Attorney General, he launched an aggressive program to place listening devices in as many mob-meeting places as possible. Agents also worked at developing informants within the ranks of organized crime.
     One of the criminals they eventually turned was New England Family associate Joseph Barboza. Nicknamed ?The Animal,? Barboza was born to Portuguese parents in 1932 in New Bedford, Massachusetts. He became a cold-blooded killer who claimed to have murdered 26 men. Barboza would become known as the Joe Valachi of the New England Family. In trouble since the age of twelve, he was in and out of reformatories and prisons before hooking up with the mob in 1958. By 1966, Barboza had worn out his welcome with organized crime. In October, he was arrested in Boston?s infamous ?Combat Zone? on a concealed weapons charge and bond was set at $100,000. Barboza grew concerned when his bail wasn?t furnished by either Patriarca or Angiulo. Five weeks later, Barboza was still languishing in jail as two friends tried to scrape together money to get him released. Arthur ?Tash? Bratsos and Thomas J. DePrisco, Jr. had collected $59,000. In November they visited the ?Nite Lite Caf?,? managed by ?Ralphie Chang? Lamattina, to do a little fund raising. Both men were shot to death and dumped in South Boston to make it look like a rival Irish gang murdered them. Not only were Barboza?s two pals dead, but the $59,000 was missing too.
     The FBI began diligent efforts to turn Barboza. In December, Joe Amico, another friend of Barboza?s was murdered. The following month, after a ten-day trial, Barboza was sentenced to a five-year term at Walpole on the weapons charges. In June 1967, Barboza started talking. On June 20, Patriarca and Tameleo were indicted for conspiracy to kill for the 1966 murder of Providence bookmaker Willie Marfeo. On August 9, Angiulo was accused of participating in the murder of Rocco DiSeglio. Finally in October, Tameleo and Peter Limone, an Angiulo bodyguard, were charged with the March 1965 murder of Edward ?Teddy? Deegan.
     In the first trial, Angiulo was found not guilty after a jury deliberated for less than two hours. None of the jurors had found Barboza believable. The second trial, however, had a different outcome. Patriarca was found guilty of conspiracy to kill Willie Marfeo who was murdered by four shotgun blasts in a telephone booth at a Federal Hill restaurant. While the trials were going on, the mob tried to get at Barboza by planting a bomb in the car of his attorney, John Fitzgerald. The blast resulted in Fitzgerald losing his right leg below the knee. The FBI kept Barboza on the move to prevent the mob from finding him. One of the hiding places was an officer?s quarters located at Fort Knox. In May 1968, the Deegan trial began. After fifty days of testimony and deliberations, the jury returned a guilty verdict.
     Barboza had done an impressive job. Of the three trials he testified at, two ended in guilty verdicts resulting in four gang members on death row, two in prison for life, and Patriarca on his way to the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary. For his testimony, Barboza was given a one-year prison term, including time served. He was paroled in March 1969 and told to leave Massachusetts forever. In 1971, he pleaded guilty to a second-degree murder charge in California and sentenced to five years at Folsom Prison. Less than three months after his release he was murdered in San Francisco by Joseph ?J. R.? Russo on February 11, 1976.

http://www.americanmafia.com/Cities/New_England-Providence.html

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Re: The F.B.I. ordered to pay $101,750,000
« Reply #46 on: August 02, 2007, 10:56:27 PM »
Which does not mention any of the four wrongfully incarcerated men as kingpins. And I notice this sentence: "Finally in October, Tameleo and Peter Limone, an Angiulo bodyguard, were charged with the March 1965 murder of Edward ?Teddy? Deegan." Deegan being the man for whose murder Tameleo, Limone, Greco and Salvati were framed. Limone in particular there is noted as a bodyguard, not a kingpin. And I notice a definite lack of the names of Joseph Salvati and Louis Greco anywhere in the article. So what's your point?
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Re: The F.B.I. ordered to pay $101,750,000
« Reply #47 on: August 03, 2007, 12:32:10 AM »
Patriarca's underboss, Henry Tameleo, was a member of the Bonanno Crime Family. Part of Patriarca's dealings with the Genovese Family was over territorial matters with the New England Family. The Connecticut River was considered the dividing line between the New York and New England Families. The Genovese Family exercised control in Hartford, Springfield, and Albany, while the cities of Worcester and Boston, as well as the state of Maine were under New England.

From the link.

 When the Kefauver hearings began in 1950, the old-time leadership in Boston was in fear that the publicity might expose them and their operations. Lombardo ordered all bookmaking operations shut down, or to operate without a central lay off bank and without police protection. During the Kefauver threat the bookmakers lost Lombardo's protection service, but gained more freedom to operate. This overreaction to the Kefauver hearings, which never materialized in Boston, opened the door for Gennaro Angiulo to move in on the gambling operations in the city.
     By the late 1950s, Angiulo was being shaken down regularly by mob heavies in Boston because he was not a made member of the family. Angiulo solved this problem by taking $50,000 down to Patriarca in Providence and promising him an additional $100,000 a year. These payments led to Angiulo becoming a made member of the family without having to make his bones, as other members were required. The Patriarca / Angiulo relationship was strictly financial. Angiulo was never well liked or respected, but as long as he kept the money flowing into Providence, he had the backing and protection of Patriarca.[/ i] Lemore was his bodyguard.

Coming up empty on the other two. Be interesting to read the original trial transcript.



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Re: The F.B.I. ordered to pay $101,750,000
« Reply #48 on: August 03, 2007, 12:47:10 AM »
Yeah, and your point is what, exactly?
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Re: The F.B.I. ordered to pay $101,750,000
« Reply #49 on: August 05, 2007, 01:46:37 PM »
So again you chose not to answer a direct question. So I have to guess what your point was. My guess is that you were trying to establish the old "they deserved it" defense. If you can make the wrongfully incarcerated men seem like bad guys, then somehow framing them for murder is okay. I don't buy that theory. And I don't believe justice or our justice system is well served by it.
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Re: The F.B.I. ordered to pay $101,750,000
« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2007, 02:14:49 PM »
Actually my point was that it would be helpful to have some background about the wrongly accused.

No different approach than your decrying commendations for the works of Rico and company for activities that very probably had nothing to do with Rico.


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Re: The F.B.I. ordered to pay $101,750,000
« Reply #51 on: August 05, 2007, 05:36:09 PM »

Actually my point was that it would be helpful to have some background about the wrongly accused.


Helpful to what end you leave unsaid. Which leads me back to my previous guess. You seek to establish that the four wrongly convicted men deserved it.


No different approach than your decrying commendations for the works of Rico and company for activities that very probably had nothing to do with Rico.


Commendations for Rico that had nothing to do with Rico? Okay, at this point, you're just babbling.
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Re: The F.B.I. ordered to pay $101,750,000
« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2007, 07:43:17 PM »
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Commendations for Rico that had nothing to do with Rico? Okay, at this point, you're just babbling.

What I meant was Tameleo et al. What next spelling criticism?

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Re: The F.B.I. ordered to pay $101,750,000
« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2007, 08:43:07 PM »

What I meant was Tameleo et al.


Ah. Well, the problem with the FBI agents getting commendations and bonuses was that they were being rewarded when they should no longer have been on the payroll to in the first place. So whether or not the commendations were directly related to framing four men for murder is mostly irrelevant.
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Re: The F.B.I. ordered to pay $101,750,000
« Reply #54 on: August 05, 2007, 08:46:46 PM »
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Well, the problem with the FBI agents getting commendations and bonuses was that they were being rewarded when they should no longer have been on the payroll to in the first place.

That presumes that those doing the commendations and awarding had knowledge of the Tameleo case. I don't believe that has been established.

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Re: The F.B.I. ordered to pay $101,750,000
« Reply #55 on: August 05, 2007, 11:32:01 PM »
Actually, all it presumes is that the agents superiors at the FBI knew what the agents were doing, and that, in point of fact, has been established. And those superiors decided not only to not fire the agents, but at least tacitly if not directly approve of the agent's actions by covering up the framing of four men for murder. And obviously those superiors did nothing to stop the agents from getting commendations and bonuses. The agents framed four men who were got sentences of life in prison, and the agents got rewards. That is unconscionably wrong whether or not the agents were directly rewarded for the framing job.

And I want to know why I should believe the agents got commendations and bonuses from someone who did not know what the agents had done. Without some reason to believe that, your objection makes no sense.
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Re: The F.B.I. ordered to pay $101,750,000
« Reply #56 on: August 05, 2007, 11:42:24 PM »
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And I want to know why I should believe the agents got commendations and bonuses from someone who did not know what the agents had done. Without some reason to believe that, your objection makes no sense.

A good reason to believe would be the very nature and definition of a coverup. And that is to limit widespread knowledge of the subject to a select few.

Not only is it possible but it is highly plausible that those doing the commendations and awards were not part of the loop in the Tameleo saga.




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Re: The F.B.I. ordered to pay $101,750,000
« Reply #57 on: August 05, 2007, 11:49:22 PM »
Since the agents' superiors did know, the question is then from whom would the agents have received commendations?
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Re: The F.B.I. ordered to pay $101,750,000
« Reply #58 on: August 05, 2007, 11:53:36 PM »
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And I want to know why I should believe the agents got commendations and bonuses from someone who did not know what the agents had done. Without some reason to believe that, your objection makes no sense.

A good reason to believe would be the very nature and definition of a coverup. And that is to limit widespread knowledge of the subject to a select few.

Not only is it possible but it is highly plausible that those doing the commendations and awards were not part of the loop in the Tameleo saga.

Do you think the judgement against the FBI as a whole was a bad idea?

Does this fine do anything to discourage Agents and administrators from misbehavior?
« Last Edit: August 06, 2007, 12:39:33 AM by Plane »

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Re: The F.B.I. ordered to pay $101,750,000
« Reply #59 on: August 06, 2007, 12:36:47 AM »
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Since the agents' superiors did know, the question is then from whom would the agents have received commendations?

Are you saying they had the same superiors their entire career? Highly unlikely.