If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?

[Universe Prince]

I'd say it shows their priorities are misaligned.

How so?

Because, um, if they didn't have programs for people to mooch off of in the first place, they wouldn't need those restrictions, now would they?

[The_Professor]

 

Well, at least it's not from the so-called Democratic Republic of China.

[Amianthus]

Why not buy straight from the factory in Taiwan?

I'd say they would have more luck buying them from the manufacturer, Les V?tements Cooper Inc., of Montreal , Quebec.

[The_Professor]

Ouch..and he lands a whopper.

[Michael Tee]

Taiwan was just a wild guess.  But I concede it was a stupid one - - what Canadian government would risk the embarrassment over a national symbol like the Mounties' uniform?

[The_Professor]

Why not buy straight from the factory in Taiwan?

I'd say they would have more luck buying them from the manufacturer, Les V?tements Cooper Inc., of Montreal , Quebec.

Just a guess, but the fabric is probably imported due to cost considerations.

[BT]

So if you want to argue that open borders is okay between U.S. states but not between the U.S. and Mexico, you're going to have to try harder.

If my argument is that migration between states is not the same as migration between nations based on the uniformity of laws and your argument is that different states have different laws, my counter argument would be that the states may have different laws because that right is granted by the constitution. And the federal constitution is supreme to the states. So if the federal constitution makes it illegal to do something , for example deny the right to vote to a certain class of people then the states can't go pass a law denying that right.

If you would like to argue that the constitution of Mexico is a carbon copy of the US Constitution i would like to see your analysis.



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[Plane]

The problem with your scenario of crossing state borders vs national borders is that the states have reciprocity and uniform laws.

That is not the case with Mexico and the US.

Uniform laws? Like, drug laws? No, that can't be it. Pornography laws? No, that can't be it. Gambling... no, no, that's not it either. Sex offender laws? No, not that either. Taxes, taxes must be... no, wait, that's not it either. No, don't tell me, I'll figure it out... (For those keep score at home, that was sarcasm.)

extradition laws

[Plane]

The several States of the United States have given up soverenty to the Federal government .

Izzat so? Anyway, what makes you think open borders would result in the U.S. loosing sovereignty? Who, exactly, would overrun our government if we had open borders?

If the resulting agglomeration were democratic I might not mind.

[Plane]

Taiwan was just a wild guess.  But I concede it was a stupid one - - what Canadian government would risk the embarrassment over a national symbol like the Mounties' uniform?

Good point , when he Army switched to that goofy beret it was embarassing to learn that they were going to be from China. 

But if that were the best manufacturer and lowest bidder then why not?

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[Universe Prince]

my counter argument would be that the states may have different laws because that right is granted by the constitution. And the federal constitution is supreme to the states. So if the federal constitution makes it illegal to do something , for example deny the right to vote to a certain class of people then the states can't go pass a law denying that right.

I'm going to ignore the whole "right granted by the constitution" thing for now. Anyway, yes, we have a federal constitution as a fundamental law of the land. And people from Mexico don't live under that constitution. But then, people who live in Montana don't live under the constitution of the state of New York either. Yet, citizens of Montana are allowed to migrate to New York without much legal impedance from the state of New York. And of course, no one is suggesting that people from Mexico be exempt from the laws of the U.S. Any Mexican immigrants denying people the right to vote ought to be prosecuted. Oh, and before you start on your "they're here illegally" bit, I've already said that the laws regarding that should change. So no, I'm not advocating law breaking. I'm advocating changing the laws, not entirely unlike when some advocated changing the law to repeal Prohibition, or abolitionists who wanted slavery to be illegal.

In any case, I have yet to see an explanation as to why the fact that Mexico is not under the U.S. Constitution is grounds for strict control of immigration. So far it looks like a "they're different" argument, but I'm not going to assume you mean that.

If you would like to argue that the constitution of Mexico is a carbon copy of the US Constitution i would like to see your analysis.
 

I have no idea why I would argue that. And I don't know what relevance it has to the discussion. Perhaps you'd care to elaborate?

[BT]

But then, people who live in Montana don't live under the constitution of the state of New York either.

But both live under the constitutiion of the United States.

In Mexico, they don't.

And i would assume borders would be open both ways in your perfect world.

Just as they are from New York to Montana and from Montana to New York.

or is that not what you are advocating?

[Universe Prince]

But both live under the constitutiion of the United States.

In Mexico, they don't.

And I'm still waiting for an argument as to why that matters.

And i would assume borders would be open both ways in your perfect world.

Just as they are from New York to Montana and from Montana to New York.

or is that not what you are advocating?

I don't recall mentioning a perfect world, but yes, I think both countries should have open border policies. However, whether or not Mexico follows suit should not hinder the U.S. from choosing the better course.

[BT]

However, whether or not Mexico follows suit should not hinder the U.S. from choosing the better course.

Why should a one way transfer be the better course for the United States? Why not arrange reciprocal rights first? Like there exists between Montana and New York citizens, which was the cornerstone of your argument.

[Plane]

I have decided that I know what Al Quieda could do to hamstring and hogtie us  more than any other thing that they could afford to do.


And since I am quite sure that they won't take my suggestion , I feel free t share it witht he world.



Osama could hand himself in at the Hauge , then hire more lawyers than Coka-cola , ......American Lawyers .

By the time the case was done we would all owe him money.