Author Topic: Not interested  (Read 846 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Lanya

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3300
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Not interested
« on: August 21, 2007, 01:57:31 AM »
Big News Orgs Who Gushed Over O'Hanlon Ignore Skeptical Op-Ed By U.S. Troops
August 20, 2007 -- 1:13 PM EST // //
Just stunning.

By now you've all almost certainly read yesterday's riveting New York Times Op-ed piece by U.S. troops in Iraq arguing that the belief that the American occupation can win this counterinsurgency is "far fetched."

By any reasonable standard, this should have been big news. A group of soldiers with a first-hand view of the situation stepped forward and publicly proclaimed not just that the prospects for success are "far fetched," but also that the press has been basically misinforming the American people about the situation there. As the soldiers wrote, they are "skeptical of recent press coverage portraying the conflict as increasingly manageable."

You'd think that the people at the big news orgs who decide whether things are news or not -- the same people who lavished tons of coverage on Michael O'Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack's Op ed -- would read this and say, "Hey, here is an alternative point of view being voiced by some of the troops themselves, and they say we're giving people the wrong impression about what's really happening here. Our readers and viewers deserve to know about this. Therefore, it is news, and we will cover it."

Right?

Nope -- of course not.

Rather, this Op-ed has been met with near-total silence. TPM intern Benjy Sarlin and I did an exhaustive hunt for coverage of this by the big news orgs. We only found one mention: CBS' Bob Scheiffer brought it up in passing in an interview with John McCain yesterday. The only other news-org mentions came in Editor and Publisher, on MSNBC's First Read blog, and on Time's Swampland blog.

That's all we could find. Nothing on CNN or any of the networks, no AP story, nothing on Reuters, nothing in any of the major papers. (If we missed anything, let us know at talk@talkingpointsmemo.com.) This is really staggering, particularly when you consider that this story has intense drama, too -- one of the authors, the piece says, was "shot in the head" during preparation of the article and is being flown to a military hospital in the U.S.

How the heck is this not newsworthy?

At first glance one is tempted to compare this blackout to the extensive coverage O'Hanlon and Pollack got for their Op ed, as I did above. But I've got a better thing to compare it to -- the media coverage that ensued the last time we heard from some of the troops in a similarly high-profile way.

Last December, newly-minted Defense Secretary Robert Gates held a photo-op sit-down with a bunch of soldiers to hear what they had to say about the proposed "surge." Mysteriously, every one of the soldiers picked for the highly-stage-managed event supported it. Here's a partial list of news organizations and shows that covered this at the time:

    The New York Times

    The Washington Post

    Reuters

    NBC's Today Show

    CNN's The Situation Room (Wolf Blitzer)

    Associated Press

    ABC News

    CNN Newsroom

    CBS Morning News

    Fox Special Report with Brit Hume

Now we hear from some of the troops again, and this time, what they said was genuinely counterintuitive and was decidedly not stage-managed by the administration. Yet no one at the big news orgs appeared to even blink.

Why is this? Digby accurately predicted yesterday that this would get little to no coverage, because Dems "don't seem to have any kind of apparatus" to "catapult the propaganda," so to speak. Of course, as Digby suggests, Dems themselves might consider doing some catapulting themselves right about now. Has any high-profile Dem issued a statement on this or pushed it in some other way? After all, every Republican from Dick Cheney on down waved the O'Hanlon-Pollack piece at every conceivable opportunity. Dems can do this kind of thing too, one imagines.

Nonetheless, even without the Dems pushing it, you'd think this would be seen by the big news orgs as an important story. Even if the administration didn't tell them that it was.

-- Greg Sargent
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/08/big_news_orgs_i.php
Planned Parenthood is America’s most trusted provider of reproductive health care.

yellow_crane

  • Guest
Re: Not interested
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2007, 02:01:13 PM »
Big News Orgs Who Gushed Over O'Hanlon Ignore Skeptical Op-Ed By U.S. Troops
August 20, 2007 -- 1:13 PM EST // //
Just stunning.

By now you've all almost certainly read yesterday's riveting New York Times Op-ed piece by U.S. troops in Iraq arguing that the belief that the American occupation can win this counterinsurgency is "far fetched."

By any reasonable standard, this should have been big news. A group of soldiers with a first-hand view of the situation stepped forward and publicly proclaimed not just that the prospects for success are "far fetched," but also that the press has been basically misinforming the American people about the situation there. As the soldiers wrote, they are "skeptical of recent press coverage portraying the conflict as increasingly manageable."

You'd think that the people at the big news orgs who decide whether things are news or not -- the same people who lavished tons of coverage on Michael O'Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack's Op ed -- would read this and say, "Hey, here is an alternative point of view being voiced by some of the troops themselves, and they say we're giving people the wrong impression about what's really happening here. Our readers and viewers deserve to know about this. Therefore, it is news, and we will cover it."

Right?

Nope -- of course not.

Rather, this Op-ed has been met with near-total silence. TPM intern Benjy Sarlin and I did an exhaustive hunt for coverage of this by the big news orgs. We only found one mention: CBS' Bob Scheiffer brought it up in passing in an interview with John McCain yesterday. The only other news-org mentions came in Editor and Publisher, on MSNBC's First Read blog, and on Time's Swampland blog.

That's all we could find. Nothing on CNN or any of the networks, no AP story, nothing on Reuters, nothing in any of the major papers. (If we missed anything, let us know at talk@talkingpointsmemo.com.) This is really staggering, particularly when you consider that this story has intense drama, too -- one of the authors, the piece says, was "shot in the head" during preparation of the article and is being flown to a military hospital in the U.S.

How the heck is this not newsworthy?

At first glance one is tempted to compare this blackout to the extensive coverage O'Hanlon and Pollack got for their Op ed, as I did above. But I've got a better thing to compare it to -- the media coverage that ensued the last time we heard from some of the troops in a similarly high-profile way.

Last December, newly-minted Defense Secretary Robert Gates held a photo-op sit-down with a bunch of soldiers to hear what they had to say about the proposed "surge." Mysteriously, every one of the soldiers picked for the highly-stage-managed event supported it. Here's a partial list of news organizations and shows that covered this at the time:

    The New York Times

    The Washington Post

    Reuters

    NBC's Today Show

    CNN's The Situation Room (Wolf Blitzer)

    Associated Press

    ABC News

    CNN Newsroom

    CBS Morning News

    Fox Special Report with Brit Hume

Now we hear from some of the troops again, and this time, what they said was genuinely counterintuitive and was decidedly not stage-managed by the administration. Yet no one at the big news orgs appeared to even blink.

Why is this? Digby accurately predicted yesterday that this would get little to no coverage, because Dems "don't seem to have any kind of apparatus" to "catapult the propaganda," so to speak. Of course, as Digby suggests, Dems themselves might consider doing some catapulting themselves right about now. Has any high-profile Dem issued a statement on this or pushed it in some other way? After all, every Republican from Dick Cheney on down waved the O'Hanlon-Pollack piece at every conceivable opportunity. Dems can do this kind of thing too, one imagines.

Nonetheless, even without the Dems pushing it, you'd think this would be seen by the big news orgs as an important story. Even if the administration didn't tell them that it was.

-- Greg Sargent
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/08/big_news_orgs_i.php


This story not only covers the greivous imbalance in the news, but is an example of one the most important contributing factors to the war's continuation, and in effect, to supporting what's left of the front line of the Neoco coup in this country.  Just because the front line has fallen, do not think the Neocons are gone.  Their bosses, the corporations, will bring in a new front line whenever they need it.  In the meantime, their damage control is handled mainly through the controlled main stream media.

It is justifiable to blame the Democrats, but were a real challenge to me mounted against this rightwing coup, it should include a massive protesting outside of media studios and offices.  All phases of counter-intelligence is this country have taught that the primary target in taking over a population is to first get to and overtake the media.  The elected Democrats who posture stiffly about change seemed to not have gotten that memo.

But, while the infrastructure of the rightwing movement stays largely in tact, the possible countering balance beneath the Democrats is a huge vacuum.

The elected Democrats should be speaking out, loudly and often, to organize and galvanize the grass roots, instead of patronizingly referring to them when it suits their political purpose.  Joe Lieberman, Hillary, Joe Biden--all the establishment Democrats who attend the same country club as the rightwingers are shameless in this regard, and should be challenged both by the media and the newly elected--elected to end the war and put a stop to the Neocon excesses--Democrats seem to have been put into tiny little boxes as soon as they get to DC.

Little boxes, on the hillside, little boxes made of ticky tacky . . . .

Michael Tee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12605
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: Not interested
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2007, 02:16:39 PM »
The key fact really seems to be that the mass of the population just don't give a shit.  I would have thought the credibility of the MSM, given the uncritical acceptance of the Bush administration lying to the country, aided by top NYT reporters like Judith Miller, would have so damaged them that internet news sources would wash out their base, but this never happened, at least nowhere near the extent I would have hoped for. 

On a personal level, I never buy the NYT any more, even when I'm in New York, I rarely watch CNN, and I pick up my news on the internet, a lot of it from blogs.  But I don't see a significant mass move in that direction.  Maybe it just takes time.

Or maybe nobody cares.

News from the Middle East does not affect anyone except maybe Jews with emotional attachments or interests, and the families of the misguided schmucks who actually get sent to fight and die there.  The rest of the country can safely ignore what happens there.  If the Bush administration is an unprecedented fuck-up, they will have to fuck up in ways that are clearly seen as detrimental to many more millions of Americans than its current victims.  Till then, the Bush administration, its successors and the nefarious interests that they represent and serve are going to be in the saddle for a long, long time.

Lanya

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3300
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: Not interested
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2007, 09:22:48 PM »
Every time I bring up protesting, all I hear is "That's not effective anymore."
What I think the person's saying is, "I wanna play Halo and I don't wanna get involved with those silly COde Pink people and ANSWER and all those loonies." 

When the ticky tacky house gets foreclosed and the job goes overseas, maybe there will be time for protests.   Right now it seems an endless search for More Stuff.
Planned Parenthood is America’s most trusted provider of reproductive health care.

Michael Tee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12605
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: Not interested
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2007, 12:17:08 AM »
<<When the ticky tacky house gets foreclosed and the job goes overseas . . . >>

I seriously doubt that even that would get a lot of people off their butts.  They've been so conditioned to believe in the "free enterprise" system that they'll take their joblessness and homelessness as evidence of personal shame and failure before they'll blame the system or those who operate it.