Vietnam, Iraq and ..... Iraq

[gipper]

I must add, though quite distinct from Bush's corrupt use of the fear, that while a widespread, more exaggerated carnage in Iraq is a great concern to all moral Americans, this factor MAY be dealt with, depending on competence, a yawning lacuna in the running of this war by this administration from a "holistic" standpoint, in an effective manner, at least conceivably. So let's talk about that as a primary goal with others, and achieve it by a smart disengagement or redeployment.

[Plane]

I must add, though quite distinct from Bush's corrupt use of the fear, that while a widespread, more exaggerated carnage in Iraq is a great concern to all moral Americans, this factor MAY be dealt with, depending on competence, a yawning lacuna in the running of this war by this administration from a "holistic" standpoint, in an effective manner, at least conceivably. So let's talk about that as a primary goal with others, and achieve it by a smart disengagement or redeployment.

I think a "smart " disengagement is desired by all Americans , but we define smart somewhat diffrently.

If the governhment of Iraq is trusted by the people of Iraq and is strong , why would we stay any longer ?

Having democracy availible is a new thing for Iraq, I hope the people there can learn to use it for the practical adressing of problems , but their learning curve will have to be steep.

[Mr_Perceptive]

One can only wonder WHEN Juniorbush would have deemed a withdrawal from Vietnam timely.

The US involvement started in 1964 with advisors and lasted until 1977. I would think that anything that could not be done in 13 years could bnot be done at all.

One also wonders why Juniortbush and Cheney did not offer their own miserable bodies as weapons of war in this glorious cause.

Who Knows? Perhaps their participation might have snatched victory from the very jaws of defeat.

Liberal pablum for the masses. I served three terms over there -- two of them I requested, thank you. We wimped on this one. After we broke the back of the Tet offensive , the war was essentially won fro ma military perspective. The poitical pukes lost it. Militarily, it was a done deal. And don't give me any crap to the contrary. You are reading what some journalist puke says who probalby wasn't there. We had the Cong atempt to vioilate our perimeter 22 times at the firebase I was at, and we repulsed them 22 times. We sent up Puff and he killed 'em at a tremendous rate. It was glorious! After 14 months at it, there were no Cong in the area. We shut down the firebase and moved it and did it all again. It worked then as well.

Hell, the smallish ROC battallion was so feared by the Cong, they wouldn't attack their perimeter. And the Cong actually ran from the even smaller Gurkha contingent. Every fuckin' time. Yes, every time.

[Xavier_Onassis]

So what?

The Vietnam War was not a macho match, as you appear to believe.

The fact is that the puppet government of Thieu and Cao Ky was not deemed to be worth defending in the minds of the Vietnamese people, and that is why it fell.

Or do you really believe that the US should have stayed in Vietnam for the next 40 years?

By 1975, they could not draft enough soldiers in the US to kee3p the war going. There weren't enough Korean or Gurkha mercenaries to sustain it, either.


Vietnam was not about your stupid macho image. You really should consider the Worldwide Wrestling Federation. It is more in keeping with your mentality.

[gipper]

Despite the blather from this closet case, an ineffective, botched redeployment is something we should be concerned about. It must be addressed and planned for in this sense: we want no headlines saying: "US Creates Its Own Darfur, or Rwanda."

[Mr_Perceptive]

So what?

The Vietnam War was not a macho match, as you appear to believe.

The fact is that the puppet government of Thieu and Cao Ky was not deemed to be worth defending in the minds of the Vietnamese people, and that is why it fell.

Or do you really believe that the US should have stayed in Vietnam for the next 40 years?

By 1975, they could not draft enough soldiers in the US to kee3p the war going. There weren't enough Korean or Gurkha mercenaries to sustain it, either.


Vietnam was not about your stupid macho image. You really should consider the Worldwide Wrestling Federation. It is more in keeping with your mentality.

Less than two years total would have done the job if the military was in charge with no prohibitions. Now, I suppose, you'll give me some panty-waist crap about innocents and such. Winning in two years would have killed a helluva lot people than fifteen years of mucking around with our fingers up our ___. As the victors who write the history books indicate, the ends DO sometimes justify the means.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Yeah, sure, less than two years and Victory in Vietnam would have been ours...

The first thirteen years were a disaster, but the final two would have been utterly golden.

This triumphant victory would have removed the Commies from Hanoi, and converted the corrupt puppet RVN government of Thieu and Cy to Norwegian standards. South Vietnam would have become the 51st state.

Dream on.

They could have put Nixon's bust on Mt Rushmore, too.

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It's all 'cause I beat the draft and refused to join you suckers. But then again, so did Juniorbush and Cheney, and unlike me, they BELIEVED all the crapola.

One can only wonder what "neds" justified the gory means that clog your fantasies...


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[Mr_Perceptive]

A fu---ing draft dodger! What a friggin pu---y!

Don't talk to ME about being an American!

Citizenship should be reserved for only those who Serve, not those who serve their own interests.

Where are we in this nation when people can actually brag about evading the draft?

I know, you are really a eunuch, not a real man. That's the joke!

I now get it! Good one! I should've guessed all along.

Gootta give it to you. You got me good there, frggin COWARD.

[Xavier_Onassis]

You were both a sucker   and a loser .

I was neither.


Nor did I aid and abet the Military Industrial Complex, while you were their slave.

Live with it you phony macho , turkey!

I did have better things to do, like finish my postgraduate degrees.

Unlike Dick Cheney, I got two of them. He's still a dropout.

[Amianthus]

Unlike Dick Cheney, I got two of them. He's still a dropout.

And based on your comments ("obviously half of all people are below average IQ") - neither of those was in any form of mathematics.

[Xavier_Onassis]

How about "approximately half of the teams in all athletics matches are losers"?

I say approximately because there is sometimes the possibility of a tie or incomplete matches.

[Amianthus]

How about "approximately half of the teams in all athletics matches are losers"?

I say approximately because there is sometimes the possibility of a tie or incomplete matches.

At least that is close to accurate, if you restrict "athletics matches" to team sports. If you include track & field or any other individual sports then it's way off.

For example, out of the dozens of golfers that compete in the Masters every year, only one will win.

If you fall back on the "teams" clause, there are teams in track & field competitions as well. And again, dozens of teams will enter many of those matches and only one will win.