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Mr_Perceptive

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A Deportaton Policy
« on: September 02, 2007, 05:53:53 PM »
Should this happen here? Will it happen here?

Swiss Expulsion Proposal Draws Criticism
 
Sep 1, 4:21 AM (ET)

By FRANK JORDANS
 
(AP) Ueli Maurer, President of the Swiss People's Party SVP, smiles in front of a campaign poster...

GENEVA (AP) - The campaign poster was blatant in its xenophobic symbolism: Three white sheep kicking out a black sheep over a caption that read "for more security." The message was not from a fringe force in Switzerland's political scene but from its largest party.

The nationalist Swiss People's Party is proposing a deportation policy that anti-racism campaigners say evokes Nazi-era practices. Under the plan, entire families would be expelled if their children are convicted of a violent crime, drug offenses or benefits fraud.

The party is trying to collect the 100,000 signatures needed to force a referendum on the issue. If approved in a referendum, the law would be the only one of its kind in Europe.

"We believe that parents are responsible for bringing up their children. If they can't do it properly, they will have to bear the consequences," Ueli Maurer, president of the People's Party, told The Associated Press.

Ronnie Bernheim of the Swiss Foundation against Racism and Anti-Semitism said the proposal was similar to the Nazi practice of "Sippenhaft" - or kin liability - whereby relatives of criminals were held responsible for his or her crimes and punished equally.

Similar practices occurred during Stalin's purges in the early days of the Soviet Union and the 1966-76 Cultural Revolution in China, when millions were persecuted for their alleged ideological failings.

"As soon as the first 10 families and their children have been expelled from the country, then things will get better at a stroke," said Maurer, whose party controls the Justice Ministry and shares power in an unwieldy coalition that includes all major parties.

He explained that his party has long campaigned to make deportation compulsory for convicted immigrants rather than an optional and rarely applied punishment.

The party claims foreigners - who make up about 20 percent of the population - are four times more likely to commit crimes than Swiss nationals.

Bernheim said the vast majority of Switzerland's immigrants are law-abiding and warned against generalizations.

"If you don't treat a complicated issue with the necessary nuance and care, then you won't do it justice," he said.

Commentators have expressed horror over the symbolism used by the People's Party to make its point.

"This way of thinking shows an obvious blood-and-soil mentality," read one editorial in the Zurich daily Tages-Anzeiger, calling for a broader public reaction against the campaign.

So far, however, there has been little popular backlash against the posters.

"We haven't had any complaints," said Maurer.

The city of Geneva - home to Switzerland's humanitarian traditions as well as the European headquarters of the United Nations and the U.N. Refugee Agency, or UNHCR - said the campaign was likely to stir up intolerance.

The UNHCR said the law would run contrary to the U.N. refugee convention, of which Switzerland is a signatory.

But observers say the People's Party's hardline stance on immigration could help it in the Oct. 21 national elections. In 2004, the party successfully campaigned for tighter immigration laws using the image of black hands reaching into a pot filled with Swiss passports.

"It's certainly no coincidence that the People's Party launched this initiative before the elections," said Oliver Geden, a political scientist at the Berlin Institute for International and Security Affairs.

He said provocative campaigns such as this had worked well for the party in the past.

"The symbol of the black sheep was clearly intended to have a double meaning. On the one hand there's the familiar idea of the black sheep, but a lot of voters are also going to associate it with the notion of dark-skinned drug dealers," said Geden.

The party also has put forward a proposal to ban the building of minaret towers alongside mosques. And one of its leading figures, Justice Minister Christoph Blocher, said he wants to soften anti-racism laws because they prevent freedom of speech.


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070901/D8RCI31O0.html

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Re: A Deportaton Policy
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2007, 06:28:37 PM »
Lets see how well it works in Switzerland before we try somethigng like it.

I don't expect it to work well even in Switzerland where the popuation is more homogonous than ours.

The injustace of the first ten epulsions that involve makeing an innocent person suffer will likely ruin what ever popularity the policy has.


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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2007, 08:55:00 PM »
Declaratives versus interrogatives. You make progress, Padwan Learner.  ;)

Good point. It will be interesting how this pans out.

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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2007, 12:57:15 AM »
Declaratives versus interrogatives. You make progress, Padwan Learner.  ;)

Good point. It will be interesting how this pans out.


Shouldn't I make inquiry when it is possible that the answer is better known by aother?

Mr_Perceptive

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Re: A Deportaton Policy
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2007, 07:27:56 PM »
It will be interesting to see how the immirgaiton issue pans out over time. And, continued friction between African-Americnas and immigrants, primarily Latino.

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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2007, 08:20:08 PM »
uhm
americans are notorious for not knowing which is which
very good chance the people being deported will be the most productive.
nobody in this country can tell the difference between me and any asian.

so the idea that the U.S. can determine accurately know which people to deport is suspect.

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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2007, 12:52:59 AM »
For starters, the government does know who is here legally and who isn't.

All they can do now is to enforce the law, despite the fact that it does not properly benefit the society.

I agree that there are probably many illegals who are quite necessary to the economy, and others who are here legally who are basically parasites. I know some of each group right here on my block.

But they don't have the determination or the manpower or the facilities to expel even a tenth of the supposedly 12 million illegals.

So they need to  do a better job of at least weeding out the ones who are a detriment to society: drug dealers, con men, loan sharks, etc.
But again, they do not have the votes to pass the laws that would enable this to happen.

So I expect things will continue to go on as they have been.


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