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Dilip Hiro's "Decline of America"
« on: September 05, 2007, 08:13:04 AM »
My apologies if this was posted before during one of my absences, but I came across this on tomsdispatch and although lengthy, it's very informative and well worth reading.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174830/dilip_hiro_america_on_the_downward_slope

The basic ideas are that America's status as the world's sole superpower is being rapidly eroded by the war in Iraq, which (in addition to the awesome money drain) shows the humiliating limitations of American military power ("We are being wrestled to the ground by opponents who aren't even an organized state," was one of the more memorable quotes, by Zbigniew Brzezinski) coupled with rising oil prices enriching global rivals like Russia and regional rivals from Venezuela to Iran.  The portion of the article dealing with rising Chinese power and influence is interesting, as are the parts dealing with new alliances, such as the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the developing relations of Venezuela with Russia, China and Iran, enabling a projection of progressive politics into Latin America, China's inroads in Africa and, much more surprisingly, the Middle East, and Iran's growing influence in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It's a long article but definitely worth the time.  The author views the Iraq invasion as an unmitigated disaster and a major contributor to America's declining power and prestige. 

Oh well, that's one opinion.  The other is the Bush-Cheney view of world affairs.  And sirs'.  It's been a long tough haul, and a hundreds of thousands of people died, but it's all well worth it folks - - Iraq's gonna get democracy!!    Yay!

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Re: Dilip Hiro's "Decline of America"
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2007, 12:05:04 AM »
It's a long article but definitely worth the time.  The author views the Iraq invasion as an unmitigated disaster and a major contributor to America's declining power and prestige. 

Oh well, that's one opinion.  The other is the Bush-Cheney view of world affairs.  And sirs'.  It's been a long tough haul, and a hundreds of thousands of people died, but it's all well worth it folks - - Iraq's gonna get democracy!!    Yay!


It doesn't seem possible that the US remain pre-eminant forever , but during or hour in the lead shouldn't we try to influence the world in a positive way?

During the time that the UK had an empire that circled the globe they built railroads , estalished traditions of civil service and good government and knocked the props out from under slavery in widespread areas of the globe.

The US is a lot less imperial , but what influence we have shouldn't be wasted , after all we are helping to build the world as it will be when we are number two or three.

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Re: Dilip Hiro's "Decline of America"
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2007, 01:12:09 AM »
<<It doesn't seem possible that the US remain pre-eminant forever , but during or hour in the lead shouldn't we try to influence the world in a positive way?>>

Good idea, when are you going to start?

<<During the time that the UK had an empire that circled the globe they built railroads , estalished traditions of civil service and good government and knocked the props out from under slavery in widespread areas of the globe.>>

With all due respect, your country isn't fit to shine their shoes.  Don't flatter yourselves that your criminal aggressions in Viet Nam or Iraq have any resemblance at all to the British Empire.

<<The US is a lot less imperial , but what influence we have shouldn't be wasted , after all we are helping to build the world as it will be when we are number two or three.>>

Well, if the world that you're helping to build is going to run on pure psychopathic violence in a complete legal vacuum, you are doing one helluva job.

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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2007, 01:16:41 AM »
<<It doesn't seem possible that the US remain pre-eminant forever , but during or hour in the lead shouldn't we try to influence the world in a positive way?>>

Good idea, when are you going to start?
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<<During the time that the UK had an empire that circled the globe they built railroads , estalished traditions of civil service and good government and knocked the props out from under slavery in widespread areas of the globe.>>

With all due respect, your country isn't fit to shine their shoes.  Don't flatter yourselves that your criminal aggressions in Viet Nam or Iraq have any resemblance at all to the British Empire.
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<<The US is a lot less imperial , but what influence we have shouldn't be wasted , after all we are helping to build the world as it will be when we are number two or three.>>

Well, if the world that you're helping to build is going to run on pure psychopathic violence in a complete legal vacuum, you are doing one helluva job.

If you must live in a fantacy world , why can't it be nicer than reality instead of  worse?

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Re: Dilip Hiro's "Decline of America"
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2007, 02:40:10 AM »
1.  I meant, when after WWII are you going to start?  Your recent history shows no such inclination to influence the world in a positive way.

2.  It is totally absurd to compare your alleged good works with the works of the British Empire.  I stand by my earlier assertion that your country is not fit to shine their shoes.

3.  Unfortunately for the millions of victims of U.S. imperialism, their world is all too real - - unlike yours.