Dinner with Ahmadinejad

[Xavier_Onassis]

"Are you divorced?"

Totally uncalled for, socialist. It is this shit why my buddy, The Professor, quit this forum. I could  call you a pussy fence sitter but I don't. As such, you shouldn't ask Rich this inflmmatory question. You disagree philiosophically, fine. To infer his marital status has anything to do wtih his debating style is pitiful. It is like me asking why your microscopic penis is even useful. Neither are relavant to the topic at hand.
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How is it that asking about Richpo's martiaL status is somehow taboo, but suggesting that JS's penis is 'microscopic' is apparently just fine?

I will agree that it is futile to argue with Richpo about Israel. He appears to be indelibly brainwashed on every aspect of the issue. Israel can do no wrong, and the Palestinians can do nothing right according to him.

[Mr_Perceptive]

I did not say anything directly about any of his appendages. I was providing an example, O Draft Dodger.

I just like the diverse range of opinions here and hope no one does anything stupid like keeping this guy out, inflammatory nor not. He has things to say, some of which I believe is correct, regardless how he says them. Get past the presentation.

[Henny]

>>Forget that we're talking about Israel here - it could be any country in the world. Put under this lense, it is entirely likely that civilians are deliberatly being targeted.<<

Yes, by the people you support, NOT by Israel. How ridiculous is it that you have to go to ancient military history to further your lie?

Really ridiculous.

Obviously you have no understanding of military strategy and strategic bombing campaigns. If you did, you would know that I am discussing recent wars in the world - not ancient history.

[Henny]

I'd trust Miss Henny, and not think twice     

Thank you Sirs.    And that goes both ways.

[Henny]

>>Forget that we're talking about Israel here - it could be any country in the world. Put under this lense, it is entirely likely that civilians are deliberatly being targeted.<<

Yes, by the people you support, NOT by Israel. How ridiculous is it that you have to go to ancient military history to further your lie?

Really ridiculous.

Oh, and YES Israel and YES the United States AND Britain and many other nations.

Putting your hands over your ears and yelling "La la la la la... I can't HEAR you" doesn't make things go away.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I just like the diverse range of opinions here and hope no one does naything stupid like keeping this guy out, inflaamatory nor not. He has things to say, some of which I believe is correct, regardless how he says them. Get past the presentation.

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Richpo is some sort of Zionist nutjob. Your presentation sucks, by the way.

You attempt to sound like some big hairy, tatooed macho ex-Vietnam vet, but I can only imagine a fourteen year old zitfaced kid with an overactive imagination behind your swaggering verbal posture.

[Mr_Perceptive]

I see the Strategy now.

First the attack on Rich, now attacks on other conservatives so, at the end, only liberals are left.

Pitiful attempt, though.

Especially coming from someone who didn't even have the balls to Serve his country.

I've seen entry recruits with more balls than you. Pace was a REAL MAN and you made sure he was taken care of. But, he knew the score.

[yellow_crane]

I see the Strategy now.

First the attack on Rich, now attacks on other conservatives so, at the end, only liberals are left.

Pitiful attempt, though.

Especially coming from someone who didn't even have the balls to Serve his country.

I've seen entry recruits with more balls than you. Pace was a REAL MAN and you made sure he was taken care of. But, he knew the score.

Which comment is factually attributed to Peter Pace:


l)  "Sure I'm a REAL MAN.  With a name like Peter Pace, you gotta butch it up."

2)  "President Bush is the Commander in Chief, and I am his bitch."

3)  "He (Rummy) leads in a way that the good Lord tells him is best for the country."

[Xavier_Onassis]

Especially coming from someone who didn't even have the balls to Serve his country.

I've seen entry recruits with more balls than you. Pace was a REAL MAN and you made sure he was taken care of. But, he knew the score.
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There you are, blathering on about balls again. I suggest that I served my country BETTER by NOT wasting ammo in vain in Vietnam. Had I been killed there, the government would have had less money. To pay you, if in fact you really were in the Army, which I doubt. Vietnam was a totally lost cause right from the git-go. A total waste of time and money. Those who were wounded and died there died for naught. I am sorry about this, but they should have had the good sense to sit that one out.Those who served there were just encouraging the sort of Imperial crapola that Iraq is all about today.

A country that has it right needs no recruits. Just volunteers. Like perhaps Denmark or Norway.
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I have done nothing in favor of or against Pace, one way or the other. I suspect that if Juniorbush did not reappoint him, he must have gotten some thing right. Perhaps even two things.

[_JS]

I'd like to say something here.

Well, considering what people ( I use the term loosely) like JS say about myself and my president and my party on a daily basis, I think to respond with a little flame is what they deserve. Frankly, they deserve more than what I give them. I can guarantee you that people who represent the left in this forum have gone to BT a month ago and asked him to remove me. I guarantee it. You see, they can say anything they like, Anything.  Because without them, there's no forum. These people say the  most vicious lies. They libel and slander anyone who disagrees with them. they are proven liars. Yet I am inflammatory. You read them daily, yet I'm inflammatory.

If you will ask Bt, he will tell you that I have never once asked that anyone on this forum be removed. That includes you Rich. Not once have I ever asked for such a thing.

Secondly, I might make some contumelious remarks about President Bush on occasion, but I am not one to constantly attack the guy. I make snide remarks about nearly every politician, once you work with them it is extremely difficult to have any sense of naive appreciation for any of them.

At the very least you can spit at me, condemn me to hell, etc...but you should have respect for the women on this group, especially the mothers. I don't think Our Lady would appreciate the way you've treated some of them.

[Mr_Perceptive]

Especially coming from someone who didn't even have the balls to Serve his country.

I've seen entry recruits with more balls than you. Pace was a REAL MAN and you made sure he was taken care of. But, he knew the score.
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There you are, blathering on about balls again. I suggest that I served my country BETTER by NOT wasting ammo in vain in Vietnam. Had I been killed there, the government would have had less money. To pay you, if in fact you really were in the Army, which I doubt. Vietnam was a totally lost cause right from the git-go. A total waste of time and money. Those who were wounded and died there died for naught. I am sorry about this, but they should have had the good sense to sit that one out.Those who served there were just encouraging the sort of Imperial crapola that Iraq is all about today.

A country that has it right needs no recruits. Just volunteers. Like perhaps Denmark or Norway.
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I have done nothing in favor of or against Pace, one way or the other. I suspect that if Juniorbush did not reappoint him, he must have gotten some thing right. Perhaps even two things.

It is not YOUR determination on whether a conflict is "just" if called up. If called up, you Serve your country. Period. All else is hogwash.

And, no, I was NOT in the Army. I was in the foremost fighting force on this planet, the United States Marine Corps. And, I retired some years ago.

[Michael Tee]

<<It is not YOUR determination on whether a conflict is "just" if called up. If called up, you Serve your country. Period. All else is hogwash.>>

That can't be right.  What if your country happens to be in the wrong?  What if the war itself is an unprovoked act of aggression which happens to be an international war crime?  It's ALWAYS the individual's determination, he alone has to decide if the conflict is right or wrong.  If the President is a war criminal, who are you going to ask to determine the matter?  Him?  Or wait for the International Court of Justice to decide the issue?  It'll never happen - - so YOU gotta decide, then and there, go along with the criminals?  or resist?

All actions have consequences and each individual is accountable for his own actions.  More basic than that it does not get.

Do you think some guy in Nazi Germany gets off the hook because his country's at war and he's called up?  It's still  his decision to serve the criminal enterprise or not.  To join the army or to join the resistance.  Obviously it takes more courage to resist than to go along with the majority, but the guy remains accountable for his choices.

[_JS]

Do you think some guy in Nazi Germany gets off the hook because his country's at war and he's called up?  It's still  his decision to serve the criminal enterprise or not.  To join the army or to join the resistance.  Obviously it takes more courage to resist than to go along with the majority, but the guy remains accountable for his choices.

My grandfather fought in the German Army in World War II. I'm in the interesting position of having had both Grandfathers fight in World War II, on opposite sides.

He was conscripted and not a member of the Nazi party by any means. He fought on the Eastern front against the Soviets. One thing you might not be considering is that the Nazis would also do harm to one's family if you did not fight. Plus, there was no Internet or 24/7 news service at that time. Not everything the Nazis did was known to the people, especially in more rural parts of Germany.

But, it is a very interesting point you raise.

I'd question the notion of: "Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die."

[Mr_Perceptive]

I'd question the notion of: "Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die."

Of course you would. It is attitudes like these that will cause the downfall of a Republic.Toward the end, many Romans decided to not serve and mercenaries ended up doing it. Hmmm, good strategy for Rome? Nope.

If you are called to Serve, you Serve. It is for your superiors to decide the matters of which you describe.

"Well, I don to agree with conflict X, so I'll just run away to Canada."

Pure unadulterated crapola.

[_JS]

The downfall of Rome was very complex and went far beyond that over-simplification.

Plus, it was the military that caused the downfall of the Republic. You're thinking of the Roman Empire.