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Islam is Peace for Britain?
« on: October 11, 2007, 01:55:37 PM »
Islam is Peace for Britain?
by Robert Spencer (more by this author)
Posted 10/08/2007 ET
Updated 10/08/2007 ET


?Who are we? We are Islam is peace. We want to eradicate Islamophobia. Our home is Britain. And we represent peace.?

It?s a new ad campaign in Britain: Islam is Peace. Buses and trains are sporting the legend, ?Islam is Peace,? and an array of images, including that of a Muslim policewoman, a Muslim scout group, and a Muslim chef, attempt to show that Muslims in Britain are ordinary citizens, and should not be regarded with suspicion.

The group?s website derides as a ?misconception? the idea that ?jihad means holy war.? It speaks about jihad as involving a ?struggle to improve the quality of life in society and the struggle against injustice, oppression and tyranny,? but says nothing about armed struggle. It leaves unexplained how innumerable thousands of Muslims worldwide could have gotten the idea that jihad had something to do with violence. The site also dismisses the idea that ?terrorism is supported in Islam,? saying, ?this misconception is one of the most widely held misconceptions about Islam today,? and quoting the Qur?an to show that ?it is clearly Islamically unlawful to murder an innocent person.? However, it doesn?t specify what qualifies a person as innocent, and thus does not answer the jihadist claim that no non-Muslim can be innocent.

The British jihadist leader Anjem Chaudary articulated this view several years ago on British television, when he told an incredulous interviewer that ?as far as Muslims are concerned, you are innocent if you are a Muslim.?

So if you condemn attacks on innocents, you?ve done nothing -- absolutely nothing -- to condemn the actual jihadist point of view.

The Islam is Peace campaign centers around a five-point plan:

1. To monitor and fight Islamophobia wherever it occurs.
2. To create permanent channels of dialogue and debate between the Muslim community and the rest of Britain, ensuring that your voice is always in the mainstream media. To partner with business and government to ensure that our concerns such as racism and social exclusion are understood.
3. To call upon our government to work towards a just and lasting peace in areas of conflict around the world, helping eliminate the injustices that foment division and nurture violence.
4. To be creative. To ensure that we have our finger on the pulse of the British mainstream. To understand what our community wants the world to hear.
5. To create friendships. To create a culture of understanding. To create a future of dialogue and a lot of new friendships.

Did you have a sense of d?j? vu reading those points? They are, not accidentally, quite similar to the goals of the 1960s civil rights movement in America. But the difference between this campaign and a real civil rights campaign is the same as the difference between Rooseveltian reformers and Leninesque revolutionaries.

A few things are glaringly absent from these five points. There is not one word about fighting against the jihadist ideology of Islamic supremacism within English mosques and Islamic schools. Instead, point one of the campaign is to fight against undefined Islamophobia, as if the only reason why anyone regarded Muslims with suspicion was because of bigotry and hatred by non-Muslims.

Well, I?ve got news for you. If ?Islamophobia? actually exists at all, it is a result of the over nine thousand violent attacks committed by Muslims in the name of Islam since 9/11. If the Islam is Peace organizers really want to end ?Islamophobia,? here is a simple five-point plan of my own. To end ?Islamophobia,? Muslims should:

1. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
2. Renounce definitively not just "terrorism," but any intention to replace the U.S. Constitution (or the constitutions of any non-Muslim state) with Sharia even by peaceful means.
3. Teach Muslims the imperative of coexisting peacefully as equals with non-Muslims on an indefinite basis.
4. Begin comprehensive international programs in mosques all over the world to teach against the ideas of violent jihad and Islamic supremacism.
5. Actively work with Western law enforcement officials to identify and apprehend jihadists within Western Muslim communities.

If Muslims do those five things, voila! ?Islamophobia? will vanish. No slick PR campaigns will be needed.


Mr. Spencer is director of Jihad Watch and author of "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)" , "The Truth About Muhammad" and "Religion of Peace?" (all from Regnery -- a HUMAN EVENTS sister company).

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Re: Islam is Peace for Britain?
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2007, 04:06:36 PM »
The Muslim communities in the UK do condemn the attacks made by British Muslims on innocents. It came as a complete shock and horror to the people of Dewsbury that some of the train bombers were from that town.

I don't know where the radical right keeps getting this idea that Muslims never condemn the violence of their own. They do! Often! What the hell else are you wanting them to do?

What the hel do the British Muslims care about the US Constitution? That's just incredibly stupid. Sharia, has a very negative meaning in right wing circles, in reality the community of Dewsbury in Britain follows sharia law (as well as British law) and has a far lower crime rate than white communities of equal size.

There are many more examples of Muslims coexisting peacefully with non-Muslims than the opposite. Cases like Bradford are rare.

You cannot tell Muslims what to teach in their Mosques, any more than you can tell Christians or Jews what to teach. You know that.

Muslim nations have provided the most prisoners, especially Pakistan, in the war on terror. Who says western Islamic communities aren't doing enough? I see no evidence that they are not being cooperative.

Islamaphobia won't vanish any more than anti-Semitism, or any other form of bigotry will. That takes education and a lack of ignorance. Not articles that try to blame the subjects of bigotry for that bigotry.
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Re: Islam is Peace for Britain?
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2007, 04:12:19 PM »
I don't know where the radical right keeps getting this idea that Muslims never condemn the violence of their own. They do! Often! What the hell else are you wanting them to do?

Quoting Zoolander from an earlier post, the need to clean up their own mess first.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

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Re: Islam is Peace for Britain?
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2007, 04:19:32 PM »
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Re: Islam is Peace for Britain?
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2007, 04:32:01 PM »
OK, Rich, that was over the top.
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Re: Islam is Peace for Britain?
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2007, 04:32:57 PM »
Agreed.

My apologies.


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Re: Islam is Peace for Britain?
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2007, 04:34:24 PM »
Look bitch, there aren't any Christians out there blowing up women and children.

What about Eric Rudolph?  

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Re: Islam is Peace for Britain?
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2007, 04:35:48 PM »
Eric Rudoplh ... lol

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Re: Islam is Peace for Britain?
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2007, 04:40:46 PM »
Eric Rudoplh ... lol

Yeah, I guess killing people and setting off bombs is pretty funny (I'm assuming that you're using "lol" to mean laugh out loud, which is disturbing, instead of lots of love, which is even worse).

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Re: Islam is Peace for Britain?
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2007, 04:43:05 PM »
Eric Rudoplh ... lol

How pathetic.

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Re: Islam is Peace for Britain?
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2007, 04:46:49 PM »
Eric Rudoplh ... lol

How pathetic.

Rich loves the homosexuals, but Islam does not!

Islam = Evil

Rich = Homosexual Orgy
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Re: Islam is Peace for Britain?
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2007, 04:47:56 PM »
Eric Rudoplh ... lol

How pathetic.


Almost as pathetic as your reluctance to engage in discussion on it.

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Re: Islam is Peace for Britain?
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2007, 04:48:58 PM »
Rich loves the homosexuals, but Islam does not!

Islam = Evil


Rich = Homosexual Orgy



JS, you're going to turn me straight.

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Re: Islam is Peace for Britain?
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2007, 04:53:31 PM »
Rich loves the homosexuals, but Islam does not!

Islam = Evil


Rich = Homosexual Orgy



JS, you're going to turn me straight.

LOL


Good thing you have a sense of humor.
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Re: Islam is Peace for Britain?
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2007, 04:56:03 PM »
LOL


Good thing you have a sense of humor.



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