Study Finds that U.S. Healthcare Consistently Underperforms

[Plane]

"...In the absence of any known polling errors, we have to take the poll results for what they are - - the poll, admittedly not infallible, is a good indicator until proven otherwise that American health care, when compared with other nations' health care, sucks...."

   I don't accept this , the pollster has a lot of advantage if he has an agenda. How could I prove an error or an intentional ommision without the ability to observe the polling itself?

   I don't think you accept the CATO institue research results as proof of much , neither sould anyone expect that the results of their favoriate poll will be ultimately persuasive.

 

Among the six nations studied?Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States?the U.S. ranks last...."

 After all this really means that the US ranks seventh in the world , is that so bad?

[_JS]

Among the six nations studied?Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States?the U.S. ranks last...."

After all this really means that the US ranks seventh in the world , is that so bad?

No. Read the sentence again. It means that out of six nations studied, the United States ranked last. It was not a world study, just a study of six nations. I'm guessing we rank much lower than seventh in a worldwide study.

[Plane]

Among the six nations studied?Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States?the U.S. ranks last...."

After all this really means that the US ranks seventh in the world , is that so bad?

No. Read the sentence again. It means that out of six nations studied, the United States ranked last. It was not a world study, just a study of six nations. I'm guessing we rank much lower than seventh in a worldwide study.

You mean that six countrys were found that perform better , but this study means nothing more than that in terms of world standing.

[_JS]

No Plane.

The Study only included the United States and five other countries. In other words n=6.

No where is it indicated that these are the top six countries in the world in healthcare standards. It is a simple comparison of six countries, all of which spend remarkably less on healthcare than the United States as a percentage of GDP.

[Michael Tee]

<< I don't accept this , the pollster has a lot of advantage if he has an agenda. How could I prove an error or an intentional ommision without the ability to observe the polling itself?>>

When you find an error or omission, get back to me.

<<I don't think you accept the CATO institue research results as proof of much >>

Fair enough, I KNOW that they are biased.

<< neither sould anyone expect that the results of their favoriate poll will be ultimately persuasive.>>

The difference between this and a Cato institute poll is that I KNOW Cato is biased and I don't know anything about the other pollster.

 
<< After all this really means that the US ranks seventh in the world , is that so bad?>>

Ranking seventh out of seven isn't so bad?  That's news to me.  If I finished seventh out of seven in a foot-race, would that be so bad?  Would I be the loser?  Probably not.  I'm sure today the school would give me a medal for participation.

I know what.  Let's give the U.S.A. a medal for participation in the health-care survey.  Everyone's a winner if everyone participates.

[Plane]

<< I don't accept this , the pollster has a lot of advantage if he has an agenda. How could I prove an error or an intentional ommision without the ability to observe the polling itself?>>

When you find an error or omission, get back to me.

<<I don't think you accept the CATO institue research results as proof of much >>

Fair enough, I KNOW that they are biased.

<< neither sould anyone expect that the results of their favoriate poll will be ultimately persuasive.>>

The difference between this and a Cato institute poll is that I KNOW Cato is biased and I don't know anything about the other pollster.

 
<< After all this really means that the US ranks seventh in the world , is that so bad?>>

Ranking seventh out of seven isn't so bad?  That's news to me.  If I finished seventh out of seven in a foot-race, would that be so bad?  Would I be the loser?  Probably not.  I'm sure today the school would give me a medal for participation.

I know what.  Let's give the U.S.A. a medal for participation in the health-care survey.  Everyone's a winner if everyone participates.

Seventh in the world is not so bad .
Suppose that I wanted to prove that Canada was bad about something  , could I find that on that particular subject there were only three nations in the world that did better than Canada and so I would study only those, so that Canada would surely come in last, what have I proven?

[Amianthus]

The difference between this and a Cato institute poll is that I KNOW Cato is biased and I don't know anything about the other pollster.

The study was done by the "Commonwealth Fund" which has as it's goal universal health coverage for the US. In other words, they fund projects and research that advance universal health care.

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No, not biased at all...
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[Michael Tee]

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No, not biased at all...
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You should read my posts a little more carefully.  I did not claim the poll was unbiased.  I specifically stated that I didn't know where it was coming from.

Now that both polls appear to be coming from opposite POVs, I suppose they each have to be examined on their own merits. 

[Amianthus]

You should read my posts a little more carefully.

You might be able to buy a sense of humour at Walmart. I'm pretty sure Sears has them as well.

[Michael Tee]

Oh no, I wanna know where you bought yours.

[Amianthus]

Oh no, I wanna know where you bought yours.

Original equipment.

[Plane]

Came with the Cracker Jacks

[Michael Tee]

OK, I walked right into that one.

[Mr_Perceptive]

Just thought about my Canadain esteemed comrade just this morning as I was watching Forever Knight. It must have been filmed in Canada as the police display Canadian uniforms, etc.

I may be consulting with a Canadian military unit later this year. Perhaps we'll get together for a cold one.

The Canadians have well-trained, if smallish, marine units. Well-maintained equipment. You can always tell a great deal about a unit when you see how well they maintain their equipment. The only negative is that they tedn ot use outdated equipment. Probably a monetary issue.

[kimba1]

did you see moonlight?
it`s a lamer version of forever knight
cbs has no shame