Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week: David Horowitz Spreading Fear, Hatred

[sirs]

Of all the things to fight for, freedom of speech ranks first.  If you don't buy this, you have a poor memory of just what the founders carefully carving out a nation deemed salient.

Which is why the left are such staunch supporters of preventing the Fairness Doctrine of ever seeing legislative light again.........oh wait

[Henny]

As for Henny's attack on Alan Horowitz, I can only say that her attack is proof she really isn't interested in challenging the fascist element of her religion. Nor are most liberals as is evidenced by the slanderous attacks being leveled at Mr. Horowitz and those attempting to bring the Islamist atrocities to America's attention.

It's David Horowitz.

And no. I've already done a lot of that -- challenging the fascist element in Islam. I was matching your posts commentary by commentary. If you've got something supportive of Islamo-Fascism week from obviously biased sources (on an obviously biased event), I'm sure I can find something critical of Islamo-Fascism week as well.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I have taught in colleges and universities for 35 years. Other than perhaps a couple of incidents in which a white professor was accused of saying the taboo word 'nigger'- not calling any one a n*gger, mind you, just saying the word as in "It is likely to cause  a disturbance for anyone to call anyone else a nigger", or "Nigger Jim is the wisest character in the novel Huckleberry Finn", I cannot think of one instance of any sort of political correctness interfering with the educational process.

The entire anti- PC debate and all accusations that universities do not allow ratwingers (or anyone else) to express themselves is simply and totally bogus.

Except for the "n-word". Some Black people have decided that there is ONE THING they can do that Whitey can't. This is after there were thousands of things that Whitey could do that they couldn't.

If Bill Gates was exactly the same person with exactly the same mind and abilities, except that he was Black, I am pretty sure he would not be where he is today, for example.

[_JS]

OK.

1. There is no Fascist element of Islam. I have yet to see anyone provide even a remotely reasonable argument that comes close to equating bin Laden, et al with Fascism. Just because a lot of people dislike Fascism (or say they do) doesn't mean you can attach it to anything you like. This isn't Oceania and Newspeak yet (or maybe it is?). There aren't a whole lot of people in the world who support stratocracy, but you cannot just pin that title on anything you like without some verifiable argument. Just because the West had a terrible experience with Fascism does not mean that "Islamo-fascism" even exists.

It is a mind-bogglingly idiotic term.

2. To answer Plane. I probably did not put the term correctly. The radicalization of the opposition did not mean that the Stalinist Government would make the opposition appear more radical than they were. It was an actual belief (probably fed by Stalin's own paranoia) that as the state removed more and more anti-proletarian elements, the remaining elements would - in reality - become more and more desperate and hence more radical. Therefore it gave cause to Stalin's purges.

[Richpo64]

>>1. There is no Fascist element of Islam.<<

Right. And they don't want us dead either.

 

[Michael Tee]

 
<<No, [prayer during graduation ceremonies at public institutions doesn't violate Constitutional establishment-of-religion prohibitions] since the school isn't "establishing" anything>>

Classic example of sirs "black isn't black because it's white" type of reasoning.  Yes, sirs, when a PUBLIC institution funded by the tax dollars of the general public and established under the authority of the public's duly elected representatives, turns to prayer at its public functions, that is a violation of the Constitutional prohibition against the state establishing a religion.  You have to get over the idea that you can change reality just by claiming it is what you say it is.

<<You realize what you just typed, right?  [Military organizations can't] meet [on campus] to discuss military opportunities because a school is a place for the free exchange of ideas??  You just contradicted yourself, to no surprise.>> 

My apologies to sirs and the group.  The thought was very poorly expressed.  I was thinking only of ROTC, which as far as I know is the only military organization banned from any campus.  I would not expect that a study group interested in military strategies or even methods of training or discipline, or martial law or any of a thousand different military subjects, would be banned from any campus and as far as I know, that has not happened.  And if it has happened, it would be wrong.  If I want to study the campaigns of Clausewitz or Hannibal, that is a legitimate field of scholarly endeavour and should not be discouraged.  What I should have said was that ROTC is banned from some campuses on the grounds that it is a recruitment office for a death machine, an enterprise that is no more related to educational purposes than a recruitment office for a pornographic movie studio would be.  Or, for that matter, for any commercial enterprise.

<<Already dispenced [Christian organizations not being allowed to meed on campus during school hours] with how disconnected that train of though is.  Of course you can prve me wrong by demonstrating how a public school is actively attempting to establish a specific religion, right?  There must a plethora of examples to chose from.  We'll all wait with baited breath.>>

Well, I guess if your concept of "dispensed with" is that you've already committed one or a series of egregious errors of fact or logic in "dispensing with" it, then, yeah, you HAVE already "dispensed with" that statement in typical sirs fashion.

<<Ahh, yet another contradiction [regarding ROTC]  since you've already claimed "totally unrelated to academic purposes".  So, make up your mind>>

Hopefully, I've already cleared that up.  (for most rational readers of this thread)

Your last statment, sirs, doesn't really require a comment.  It was pretty clear from my last post whose embarrassment and ignorance I was referring to.   I don't really think your reply had any effect on that.

[_JS]

>>1. There is no Fascist element of Islam.<<

Right. And they don't want us dead either.

 

Wanting people dead does not make it Fascism. Cane quite clearly wanted Able dead, but he was hardly a Fascist.

[Richpo64]

Maybe Muslim Nazis would be a better term.

The Mufti of Jerusalem during WWII was a follower of Hitler and was an ally of the Nazi regime. They wanted to kill Jews, and they want to kill Jews now. The Germans have denounced the madness, but 100 million Muslims have not. (neither has JS for that matter).

Yeah, Nazi Muslims works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd5aA_kIDzY

[_JS]

Maybe Muslim Nazis would be a better term.

The Mufti of Jerusalem during WWII was a follower of Hitler and was an ally of the Nazi regime. They wanted to kill Jews, and they want to kill Jews now. The Germans have denounced the madness, but 100 million Muslims have not. (neither has JS for that matter).

Yeah, Nazi Muslims works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd5aA_kIDzY

The primary Fascist movement in the Middle East came from a Syrian Christian named Michel Aflaq Fascisti islamici. He was the original creator of Ba'athism that helped Assad and Hussein achieve so much success in Syria and Iraq, respectively.

Fascism is not about "killing Jews." That was a European, and very Christian, anti-Semitism that came to the forefront through the Fascist states in World War II.

I think Nazi Muslims is fine. It has a very truculent tone that is well suited to people who would use the term "Islamofascism."

[Michael Tee]

<<Maybe Muslim Nazis would be a better term.

<<The Mufti of Jerusalem during WWII was a follower of Hitler and was an ally of the Nazi regime. They wanted to kill Jews, and they want to kill Jews now. The Germans have denounced the madness, but 100 million Muslims have not. (neither has JS for that matter).

<<Yeah, Nazi Muslims works.>>

Works for the Zionist bullshit machine, that's for sure.  They crank this guy's name out like he was glued to Osama's back.  Unfortunately for the Zionists, he's been dead for over 33 years.  But he was pro-Nazi alright.  Even if the Nazis themselves considered him to be an untermensch.  Don't know that Osama bin Ladin or the secular Iraqi Resistance forces carry the guy's writings around with them in their knapsacks, but he was an Arab anti-Zionist and a "Nazi," so therefore Osama, who's also an Arab anti-Zionist, must also be a Nazi.  The logic of four-year-olds.  The logic of Rich.

[Richpo64]

>> It has a very truculent tone that is well suited to people who would use the term "Islamofascism."<<

Plenty of people do. I guess it's just not popular with Communists. So we'll put the count at say ... 1,000,000 (conservative number) for the term, and one against.

 

[Richpo64]

>>The logic of Rich.<<

I suppose some is better than none.

You see Mike, there's a great big world out there were most people, sane people, disagree with you and find you and people with your mental condition repugnant. I'm sure you meet plenty of these people if you ever leave your mothers basement and have the balls to repeat your hysterical diatribes to actual peoples faces.

But I doubt it.

[Michael Tee]

from the Wikipedia article on "Islamofascism"

<<Journalist Eric Margolis agrees: "There is nothing in any part of the Muslim World that resembles the corporate fascist states of western history. In fact, clan and tribal-based traditional Islamic society, with its fragmented power structures, local loyalties, and consensus decision-making, is about as far as possible from western industrial state fascism. The Muslim World is replete with brutal dictatorships, feudal monarchies, and corrupt military-run states, but none of these regimes, however deplorable, fits the standard definition of fascism. Most, in fact, are America?s allies."[19]

<<<<Jim Lobe remarked that "As noted by the Associated Press (AP) this week, "fascism" or "Islamic fascism", a phrase used by Bush himself two weeks ago and used to encompass everything from Sunni insurgents, al-Qaeda and Hamas to Shi'ite Hezbollah and Iran to secular Syria, has become the "new buzzword" for Republicans."[20]

 << . . .

<<Conservative British historian Niall Ferguson states that:

    ??what we see at the moment is an attempt to interpret our present predicament in a rather caricatured World War II idiom. I mean, ?Islamofascism? illustrates the point well, because it?s a completely misleading concept. In fact, there?s virtually no overlap between the ideology of al Qaeda and fascism. It?s just a way of making us feel that we?re the ?greatest generation? fighting another World War, like the war our fathers and grandfathers fought. You?re translating a crisis symbolized by 9/11 into a sort of pseudo World War II. So, 9/11 becomes Pearl Harbor and then you go after the bad guys who are the fascists, and if you don?t support us, then you must be an appeaser.? [22]>>

[_JS]

Conservative British historian Niall Ferguson is spot on.

[Michael Tee]

<<You see Mike, there's a great big world out there were most people, sane people, disagree with you and find you and people with your mental condition repugnant.>>

I think if you took your head out of your own ass, Rich, and travelled around some, you'd find that MOST PEOPLE in the "great big world out there" actually agree with ME, and find YOU and the people like you, who exist mostly in the Benighted States of Amerikka, to be the most repugnant folks on the face of the earth.  When I come across folks like that, I actually have to try to convince them that all Amerikkkans AREN'T sick, diseased Zionist fucks like you, that they're pretty decent folks, mostly so disillusioned by their lying fraudulent politicians that they don't even bother to vote, and that when they DO vote, they actually vote AGAINST Bush, but it doesn't do them any good because the elections are fixed.   

<<I'm sure you meet plenty of these people if you ever leave your mothers basement and have the balls to repeat your hysterical diatribes to actual peoples faces.>>

More Rich logic - - to express my ideas face-to-face to people who, like Rich, disagree with me, takes "balls" (presumably because people who think like Rich, "sane" people, would punch my lights out.)  To this sick, diseased fuck, if you disagree with somebody, especially if you are "sane" and the person you disagree with is "insane," then you express your disagreement by beating the shit out of him.  Guys like Rich are dangerous - - this is exactly how the Nazis came to power in Germany, by violence and the approval of violence, against anyone who disagreed with them or stood in their way.  [BTW, watch how fast Rich tries to back-pedal out of this one.  He "didn't mean" that it would take balls because "sane, normal" (in his diseased brain) people would want to kick the shit out of me, he meant it would take balls because "sane, normal" people would express themselves vigorously.  Fascists like Rich are stupid, which is a huge bonus for the rest  of us - - they say dumb Nazi-like shit and don't even realize they are incriminating themselves when they say it.  So it's fun to watch the morons try to backtrack out of it.

Try this on for size, dip-shit:  Why don't YOU get out of YOUR mother's basement, travel to someplace like, I dunno, Amman, Baghdad, Jedda, Jakarta, Abu Dhabi, or even certain areas of Detroit, Los Angeles, Paris or London and show how much balls you have by discussing your ideas about Islam and Arabs and the Palestinians with the locals?