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?Peace? Train Going Off Track
« on: October 18, 2007, 07:32:29 PM »
?Peace? Train Going Off Track   
By P. David Hornik
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, October 18, 2007

Condoleezza Rice is here again this week, this time shuttling from Jerusalem to Ramallah to Cairo in her obsessive chase after a chimera of formal peace between a tired democracy whose paramount yearning is that its sons should no longer have to be soldiers, and Muslims who regard this Jewish democracy?s existence as an affront to their deepest values and even to God.


The Jerusalem Post, which regularly pronounces itself in favor of a ?two-state solution,? noted in an editorial Tuesday that ?While Palestinian leaders have repeatedly claimed to recognize Israel?s right to exist, they have never uttered the words ?Jewish state.??


In other words, since 1992 Israel, heavily urged on by the United States, has been pursuing a purported peace process with leaders?whether the openly brutal Yasser Arafat or the sedate, nicely dressed Mahmoud Abbas?who cannot bring themselves to utter that phrase.


A decade and a half ago, the pronouncement of ?right to exist? without ?Jewish state? was enough for Israel to set up, finance, and arm a Palestinian entity on land impinging on its population centers. Since then that entity has murdered over 1500 Israelis, mostly civilians, in terror attacks while injuring and traumatizing many thousands more?including, at this moment, the ongoing battery and traumatization of the Gaza-bordering town of Sderot with its twenty thousand residents.


Some Israelis, though, would still be willing to attribute great significance to the pronouncement of ?Jewish state? by an almost-powerless leader without first requiring a transformation of Palestinian society from values of Jew-hatred and Israel-negation to values of peace and pluralism. As the Post puts it:

If, however, Abbas is willing to formally recognize Israel?s right to exist as a Jewish state, and to abandon the demand for the demographic influx [of ?refugees"] that would negate it, the path to substantive progress would be opened.

But even with all this dangling before him, Abbas still doesn?t take the bait. During Rice?s press conference with him in Ramallah on Monday, Rice ?urged Israel and the Palestinians to agree on how and when to start formal peace talks.? Abbas, though, ?responded by saying Israel would have to make concessions in order to do so.?

In other words?first concessions, then peace talks.

As for the concessions Abbas demanded?without yet having said ?Jewish state??they reportedly include

the withdrawal of Israel Defense Forces to the lines of September 28, 2000, before the second intifada erupted, the evacuation of settlements, the reopening of Palestinian institutions in East Jerusalem and the release of all Palestinian prisoners. He added that Israel must allow 13 militants it exiled in 2002 to return to the West Bank.

No report anywhere says that Rice finally started to wonder if this man really wants peace or is worth such obsessive supplication by a superpower and leader of the Free World.

Those ?13 militants,? for example, were among the most senior of the terrorists who holed themselves up for weeks in the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem in 2002, during which they used the Bible as toilet paper among other desecrations. The 13 incurred the rather light punishment of being deported abroad?but now Abbas wants them back in the Palestinian Authority as a condition for beginning the ?peace talks.?

Rice, though, instead of having any known misgivings about this whole endeavor, shuttled off to Cairo where Egyptian foreign minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit gave her more of the same, ?warning the summit may be postponed unless a substantive agreement can be reached beforehand.?

Gheit also accused Israel?that disliked entity?of ?trying to undermine U.S. efforts to achieve a real peace agreement between the two sides? and said in a statement that ?Without addressing these attempts, then we have to seriously think of postponing the conference to another appropriate time.?

As the conference approaches, the Arab atmosphere of bullying and threats is intensifying. Ahmed Qurei?a former PA prime minister and currently head of the Palestinian negotiating team?didn't mince words just last Thursday when he said, ?If the talks fail, we can expect a third and much more severe intifada.?

Out of respect for the horrendous toll in blood brought on by previous Israeli-Palestinian ?peace? events at the White House in September 1993 and at Camp David in summer 2000, Rice should take his words seriously and end the Annapolis preparations before another disaster ensues.

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2007, 12:30:13 AM »

The peacxe train isn't going off the track. There hasn't been a peace train since Clinton in 2000. All the have is shredded pieces of the famous road map.

Attempting to hold peace talks isn't going to cause more violence. It will simply focus the spotlight on these two enemies again.

Everyone knows what will sell: Israel returns to the 1967 borders, unbutcherd into bantustans, Jerusalem is internationalized, the Palestinians forfeit the right of return, in return for getting paid, and recognition of Israel. Everyone has always known this forever.

It would be better if this were signed sooner than later, but Rice hasn't got the chops to bring it home, and Juniorbush is not taken seriously by anyone now. He's a pathetic lame duck.

Neither Abbas nor Olmert has the chops, either. Neither has the respect of his people.
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2007, 12:43:40 AM »


Everyone knows what will sell: Israel returns to the 1967 borders, unbutcherd into bantustans, Jerusalem is internationalized, the Palestinians forfeit the right of return, in return for getting paid, and recognition of Israel. Everyone has always known this forever.


I don't think that would work , if it was a stable arrangement , it would have been stable in 67.

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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2007, 01:13:22 AM »

<<I don't think that would work , if it was a stable arrangement , it would have been stable in 67.>>

What total bullshit.  As if the world doesn't change in 40 years.  In 67, to pick the most obvious examples, the U.S.S.R. was available to lend some muscle to the Arab cause and no Arab nation had recognized Israel.  Today at least three Arab countries that I am aware of recognize Israel and the U.S.S.R. is gone.

The real problem, of course, is that the Jews have continuously been settling the West Bank, which belies their oft-stated desire to hand it back if only "the conditions for lasting peace" are at hand.  A pack of lying BS that the dumb fucking Arabs fell for time and again, negotiated in good faith with the Israelis, who must have been laughing themselves sick in private at such monumental stupidity, and got screwed again and again and again.  In FORTY YEARS negotiations have produced nothing of any lasting practical value and still the settlements continue.  In ten years, if the Arabs are dumb enough to continue the "peace negotiations" with their Israeli "partners in peace," the "partners" will probably constitute at least 50% of the West Bank population as the continuing Israeli campaign of murder, house demolitions, farm and business destruction, midnight arrests, checkpoints, expropriations for "roads" and "walls" etc. etc. etc. drives more and more Arabs to vacate land for incoming Jewish settlers.

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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2007, 04:31:01 PM »

<<I don't think that would work , if it was a stable arrangement , it would have been stable in 67.>>

What total bullshit.  As if the world doesn't change in 40 years.  In 67, to pick the most obvious examples, the U.S.S.R. was available to lend some muscle to the Arab cause and no Arab nation had recognized Israel.  Today at least three Arab countries that I am aware of recognize Israel and the U.S.S.R. is gone.


So Isreal is gradually winning?

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2007, 05:46:34 PM »

So Isreal is gradually winning?

What is the Israeli birthrate and the overall increase of the Jewish population in Israel?
Lots of Jews LEAVE Israel for the US and other places every year. They can come and become instant citizens in an hour, but they are free to leave.

Compare this to the increase in the West Bank, Gaza and Israeli Arab populations. MUCH HIGHER

Eventually, the Palestinians will outnumber the Jews IN THE STATE OF ISRAEL.

It is at this point that Israel either ceases to be a 'Jewish State' or disenfranchises the Arabs.

The world (especially outside the US) loathes Israel for its mistreatment of Palestinians and the theft of their lands. That isn't good for Israel, either.

US support of Israel is dwindling.

Israel needs to sign a deal and make nice sometime soon, or it is doomed and the end won't be pretty.

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2007, 06:05:52 PM »
<<So Isreal is gradually winning?>>

did you read XO's post?  I'd say "gradually winning" short-term to middle-term, still losing long-term and missing some good opportunities to stop the long-term deterioration of their position.

XO, don't think they haven't already planned for the population bomb - - when the time comes, they'll be as apartheid as they need to be inside of the borders of Israel itself (which by that time may include the West Bank too.)

They are building population as rapidly as they can now.  Some of the Russian "Jewish" immigrants they are taking in right now are racially only 1/4 Jewish and have no real Jewish identity at all.  A month or two back, Israeli police identified Israel's first neo-Nazi skinhead group - - Russians and Ukrainians whose parents brought them in as "Jews" but who in reality are nothing but skinhead Slavic punks with their culture's traditional anti-Semitism embedded in their bones.  They were beating up real Jews and writing swastikas and Nazi slogans on walls at night.  Doesn't matter, they'll be excellent cannon fodder for the front ranks of the shock troops in any major land war.  Let Iran's Republican Guard deal with them as they should be dealt with.

So there's a multi-pronged strategy in place for the population bomb - - 1. continue to drive Arabs off the West Bank by making their lives there unbearable;     2. bring in as many bodies as possible, even if they're not reallyl Jewish;    3.  Prepare for the day when South-African-style apartheid has to be introduced into Israel.  Prepare how?  Think of a good PR label for the process, don't for God's sake use the word "apartheid" in any way, shape or form, prepare data banks of dirt for all potential critics, etc.  They know better than I do how to prepare for an apartheid regime inside Israel.