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What do you think?
« on: October 24, 2007, 10:51:39 AM »
Is it OK for disabled people to go to brothels?

By Finlo Rohrer
BBC News Magazine



We live in a society saturated with sex, but disabled people can often feel they've not been invited to the party. Some feel prostitution might provide the answer. But is visiting a brothel the right thing to do?
 
Taking your first steps. Riding a bike. Your first kiss. The first time you have sex. All standard rites of passage for anyone growing up in much of the world.

But what if you never took your first step? What if you couldn't ride a bike? What if the disability you were born with distanced you socially? What if there never was a first time?

Asta Philpot, 25, is a confident, extroverted person, similar to many other British men in their 20s. But he was born with arthogryposis, a condition that severely limits the movement in his limbs.

"Are you having a nice night?" is a line Asta is used to hearing, delivered by women in pubs and clubs throughout his adult life. There often seems to be a patronising undertone. Flirting isn't easy when you can't move.

Last year, he chose to lose his virginity in a licensed Spanish brothel. This year he took two other disabled men on a bus trip to the same brothel, filmed by BBC's One Life.

"When I was younger I had a friend and we always used to talk about relationships. He had muscular dystrophy and passed away without having a sexual experience. Why should people struggle for that experience?", Asta says.

Skewed view

This is the decade when discrimination against disabled people is finally being tackled in the UK, but while the law can open up a workplace or install a ramp, it is never easy to change what is in people's minds. And there are many people who would shy away from a relationship with a disabled person.

"I've been out to pubs and clubs, you see people with each other. Then they go off home. But people look at disabled people as not being able to have a relationship."

Society has a difficulty with disabled people and sex, Asta suggests. Television, and particularly the film industry, doesn't like to present people in wheelchairs in romantic scenarios. As objects of pity, or as exemplars of an inspirational fight against adversity maybe. But when was the last time you saw a disabled person playing the run-of-the-mill romantic lead?

To Asta, the situation is stark. Sexual experiences are a vital part of life. They are hard to come by. And visiting a brothel is the right course of action, he thinks.

"I feel more confident with girls. I'm totally for it. Not one regret. Disabled people are so sheltered and protected, in an institutionalised forcefield."

He believes in legalised prostitution, a view that many across society will not share but that appears to have currency within the "disabled community".

Moral issue

A survey for the Disability Now website in 2005 suggested that 75% of disabled people believed in the legalisation of prostitution, with 62.5% of men and 19.2% of women saying they would use trained sex workers. It's a situation that exists in the Netherlands where a voluntary group provides just such a service for disabled people. Most clients pay for it themselves but some local authorities subsidise the service.

There is also a group within the UK attempting to put disabled people in touch with suitable prostitutes, but there are those for whom visiting a brothel is morally wrong.

Anna Bowden, of Eaves, a group that helps vulnerable women, including those who have been trafficked into prostitution, recognises that disabled people face "a very difficult situation".

"Obviously I don't think the answer is perpetuating a form of violence against women. We reject the view that men have a right to sex."

But the notion that visiting a prostitute is intrinsically wrong is not shared by all. Cari Mitchell, of the English Collective of Prostitutes, make no distinction between disabled and non-disabled.

"Prostitution is consenting sex between adults. There's nothing uniquely degrading about prostitution except that it is criminalised," she says. "Men with disabilities going to a brothel is no different to any other men. They have the same needs as anybody else and should be entitled to the same access to paying for sex... as anybody else."

But counselling psychologist Simon Parritt, the author of the 2005 Disability Now survey, says it is difficult to see brothels as the answer.

"I think everybody has the right to a sexual identity," he says. "I don't think everybody has the right to sex with another person. That involves somebody else's rights."

Sexual exclusion

And in the eyes of some, he says, the Netherlands approach risks "ghettoising", with disabled people regarded "as something so different they need some kind of specialised charity sex".

But it is clear that many disabled people in the UK face sexual exclusion.

"The process of learning from experience is limited. When you get to 15-16 you may go out clubbing. The gap between you and your peer group becomes particularly big. Sexual and relationship skills get left behind," Mr Parritt says.

And he has first-hand experience of people's attitudes. Some years ago he placed identical personal ads, one mentioning that he was disabled, one not mentioning. The advert that mentioned his disability drew the better quality of responses but they were vastly fewer in number than the advert that did not mention his disability.

"People end up in their mid 20s and later not having had any kind of sexual experience. The right kind of experience gives you confidence."

Confidence is one of the things Asta was seeking. He thinks he has found it.
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2007, 10:55:49 AM »
Prostitution should not be illegal. If it's ok to sell your time doing computer work, or manual labor, or whatever, it should be ok to sell your time having sex.
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2007, 11:28:52 AM »
Prostitution should not be illegal. If it's ok to sell your time doing computer work, or manual labor, or whatever, it should be ok to sell your time having sex.

What about the problems of it being degrading to women and objectifying them?
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2007, 11:37:51 AM »
What about the problems of it being degrading to women and objectifying them?

Working at menial jobs is not?

They should be able to sell their time doing what they want.

And why would prostitution not be "degrading [...] and objectifying" to men as well? There are male prostitutes, after all.
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2007, 04:53:44 PM »

What about the problems of it being degrading to women and objectifying them?


Is it degrading to women? Seems to me degrading to women is making their choices for them and deciding for them what they should and should not do with their own bodies.
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2007, 05:09:17 PM »
Selling sex is a major industry in the US. We sell cosmetics, deodorant, aftershave and clothes of all sorts in order to attract the opposite sex.

People sell themselves as sex objects on pretty much every internet dating service.

I don't see why freelance prostitution should not be legal. Pimps peddling cokehead whores and Chinese Tongs or other gangs peddling white (or yello) sex slaves is obviously not the same thing.

There is no difference between sex for the disabled and sex for anyone else, I don't think.

Most people will degrade themselves in varying amounts for a little poon or cuddly-time.
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2007, 05:49:02 PM »
Disabled women don't have this problem?

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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2007, 08:16:22 PM »
My mother was forced into prostitution.  I think that probably degraded her. 

More to the point, the concept of the brothel - time-honored though it may be  - is that sex, in itself, is a commodity.  I believe that is not the case.  I think it is a part of a romantic relationship and ought to be shared only with someone you are at least in a committed relationship with.  To put it another way, I would not choose to tell all of my deep, dark secrets or give a financial statement to a girl I just met at a bar.  Why in the world would I want to share something as intimate as sex?  I guess because I have always been married the concept of casual sex is just bewildering to me.  That's not to say I haven't been attracted to some lovely lass walking down the street from time to time.  it's just that the idea of meeting a girl in a bar and taking the home for a roll in the hay that evening is beyond my ken.  Even in that scenario, at least there is the slight chance of a developing relationship.    Going to a woman, handing her money and saying ""Can I show you my appendectomy scar?" is just too weird.  No, it really is.  I never had an appendectomy.  (Sorry.  I've been reading Douglas Adams today and my mind is a little skewed.)

Seriously, I can't see getting a hooker personally, but as to whether disabled folks should be able to visit brothels, my answer would be if it is legal there is no reason why the disabled shouldn't be able to do what the able can.  I wouldn't recommend it, and I suspect it would be pretty depressing as first experiences go.  But I wouldn't deny the opportunity to a disabled person, all other things being equal.
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2007, 11:56:00 PM »
This is a job for a therapist.

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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2007, 08:00:05 AM »
Prostitution can be quick, easy money for a woman with few skills. But it can also cause disease and death.
If it is illegal, the dangers to the woman are much greater.
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