UFOs in politics

[Plane]

Dennis Kucinich has seen one.

Bill Richardson likes the idea, good for tourism.

Hillary is noncomittal.


Kucinich strikes me as a nice guy and honest , if he had not so honestly admitted to advocateing ruinous taxation I might vote for him , UFOs don't matter to me.

[Michael Tee]

What's the big deal?  A UFO is simply an unidentified flying object.  Kucinich didn't claim to have seen extraterrestrials, space ships, weird shit like that.

[Plane]

What's the big deal?  A UFO is simply an unidentified flying object.  Kucinich didn't claim to have seen extraterrestrials, space ships, weird shit like that.

It is a minor deal poltically , I like how frank and open Kucinich is.

Some UFO's are Air Force experiental aircraft which are routenely kept secret for years after the first fly.

[The_Professor]

and some might actually be extraterrestrials. Are we so sure in this vast galaxy, that we are not being observed?

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Universe is immense. The odds are greatly in favor of many, many other sentient beings such as ourselves in various stages of development scattered across the Universe.

However, the immensity of the Universe and the impossibility of practical travel, (ie a spacecraft that is not multi-generational) makes it at least unlikely that we have NOT been visited.

No one can prove a negative. I have seen a UFO as well, a cigar-shaped thing, when I was twelve, in the sky above the Clay County, MO courthouse. There was even a photo in the Kansas City Star of it. But it is most likely that it was some sort of experimental blimp or dirigible. Of course, it could have been pod people from Planet Koozbane as well.

[The_Professor]

Or Ming the Merciless looking for his next victim?

[yellow_crane]

The Universe is immense. The odds are greatly in favor of many, many other sentient beings such as ourselves in various stages of development scattered across the Universe.

However, the immensity of the Universe and the impossibility of practical travel, (ie a spacecraft that is not multi-generational) makes it at least unlikely that we have NOT been visited.

No one can prove a negative. I have seen a UFO as well, a cigar-shaped thing, when I was twelve, in the sky above the Clay County, MO courthouse. There was even a photo in the Kansas City Star of it. But it is most likely that it was some sort of experimental blimp or dirigible. Of course, it could have been pod people from Planet Koozbane as well.

My assessment of the sightings, and the various sources, conflicts considerably with the constant derision of anybody who is involved.  It is an automatic response in the MSM to label all sightings as lunatic. 

All of this suggests to me that your average Amerikin is more comfortable thinking that he is the highest totem on the pole--the great principle of shit rolls downhill, which also contributes simply and greatly to racism.

Not to mention at all the cataclysmic Ego assertion that in a universe unlimited, homo sapiens is the onliest asshole acrawl.  At times, to me, it seems the whole dogma of the Christian religion was designed to promote this psychodrama.  Interestingly, when ever Christianity is discussed in terms of politics, hardly any mention is made of the fact that Christianity seems to serve politics extremely well.

When I get in front of God and his high stress hero son, I shall inquire as to the doctrine of dominion, and ask directly of the Great Spirit if he really meant that all of the earth's resources were designed to be buccaneered by high profit, soulless neocon predators.

[The_Professor]

It is fascinating how often you turn on the anti-Christinaity spigot, Crane. The article did not say ANYTHING about either Christianity or racism. Knickers in an uproar perpetually on this issue or what?

[yellow_crane]

It is fascinating how often you turn on the anti-Christinaity spigot, Crane. The article did not say ANYTHING about either Christianity or racism. Knickers in an uproar perpetually on this issue or what?

Have I offended thee, brother?

By my lights, the cost per pound of sanctimony these days prohibits me from any further indulgence in demanded prostrations.   

That means . . . no apology.

Great big ole wounded Goody Two, once again. 

I weary of the ennui born of the denials made by agenda-ridden Righters pimp-slapping me with their Bible, and wonder why others in here do not.

If you seek to control posts until they meet your rather anti-intellectual, sentimental notion of just what can and cannot be said of Chrisitianity, you will have to look beyond me. 

Santimony aside, I see not the slightest reason to pretend that I should spare "Chrisitianity" in the theatre of political debate, or grant to it any special amelioration whatsoever. 

I certainly will not fawn at the fount of what I consider to be spurious, demanded sentimentalities.

I consider my suspension of emotional play a rather sane assuming, because I believe that the Christian Right has demonstrated too numerously to deny their involvement in American politics, and in the relative history of it all, all of a sudden involvement.   

That inactivates their 'get out of jail free' card, deferentially speaking.

As they say in the White House, "She's fair game."

BTW, what is the connection between Blackwater and the Christian Right? 

Seriously, tell me what is the connection between Blackwater and the Christian Right?

Is that question . . . . . . permitted??? . . . . or is it just too much for the cuckles?

[Cynthia]

It is fascinating how often you turn on the anti-Christinaity spigot, Crane. The article did not say ANYTHING about either Christianity or racism. Knickers in an uproar perpetually on this issue or what?

Have I offended thee, brother?

By my lights, the cost per pound of sanctimony these days prohibits me from any further indulgence in demanded prostrations.   

That means . . . no apology.

Great big ole wounded Goody Two, once again. 

I weary of the ennui born of the denials made by agenda-ridden Righters pimp-slapping me with their Bible, and wonder why others in here do not.

If you seek to control posts until they meet your rather anti-intellectual, sentimental notion of just what can and cannot be said of Chrisitianity, you will have to look beyond me. 

Santimony aside, I see not the slightest reason to pretend that I should spare "Chrisitianity" in the theatre of political debate, or grant to it any special amelioration whatsoever. 

I certainly will not fawn at the fount of what I consider to be spurious, demanded sentimentalities.

I consider my suspension of emotional play a rather sane assuming, because I believe that the Christian Right has demonstrated too numerously to deny their involvement in American politics, and in the relative history of it all, all of a sudden involvement.   

That inactivates their 'get out of jail free' card, deferentially speaking.

As they say in the White House, "She's fair game."

BTW, what is the connection between Blackwater and the Christian Right? 

Seriously, tell me what is the connection between Blackwater and the Christian Right?

Is that question . . . . . . permitted??? . . . . or is it just too much for the cuckles?

Just curious, why doesn't anyone ever bring up the "Christian Left"?

[Plane]

It is fascinating how often you turn on the anti-Christinaity spigot, Crane. The article did not say ANYTHING about either Christianity or racism. Knickers in an uproar perpetually on this issue or what?

Have I offended thee, brother?

Just curious, why doesn't anyone ever bring up the "Christian Left"?

JS's department

[Xavier_Onassis]

In the Bible, there may have been UFO's as well.

Ezequiel, for example, saw the Wheel, Way up in de middle of de air.

There is a long history of people seeing weird things in the air. But they remain unknown, because it is harder to touch and examine these things than if they were on the ground or a-floating in the sea.

Not all people who see UFO's are nuts, but some clearly are.

There is the Black Muslim belief that Eljijah Muhammad would be spirited away from the planet by space aliens in their special spaceship. Minister Farrakhan has claimed that he has gone for a ride in one of these as well.

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/07/the-nation-of-islams-ufo-myth/

Elijah Muhammad was buried, and apparently his intergalactic buddies did not show up for the rather impressive ceremony:
http://www.muhammadspeaks.com/Funeral.html

[The_Professor]

It is fascinating how often you turn on the anti-Christinaity spigot, Crane. The article did not say ANYTHING about either Christianity or racism. Knickers in an uproar perpetually on this issue or what?

Have I offended thee, brother?

By my lights, the cost per pound of sanctimony these days prohibits me from any further indulgence in demanded prostrations.   

That means . . . no apology.

Great big ole wounded Goody Two, once again. 

I weary of the ennui born of the denials made by agenda-ridden Righters pimp-slapping me with their Bible, and wonder why others in here do not.

If you seek to control posts until they meet your rather anti-intellectual, sentimental notion of just what can and cannot be said of Chrisitianity, you will have to look beyond me. 

Santimony aside, I see not the slightest reason to pretend that I should spare "Chrisitianity" in the theatre of political debate, or grant to it any special amelioration whatsoever. 

I certainly will not fawn at the fount of what I consider to be spurious, demanded sentimentalities.

I consider my suspension of emotional play a rather sane assuming, because I believe that the Christian Right has demonstrated too numerously to deny their involvement in American politics, and in the relative history of it all, all of a sudden involvement.   

That inactivates their 'get out of jail free' card, deferentially speaking.

As they say in the White House, "She's fair game."

BTW, what is the connection between Blackwater and the Christian Right? 

Seriously, tell me what is the connection between Blackwater and the Christian Right?

Is that question . . . . . . permitted??? . . . . or is it just too much for the cuckles?

I still fail to see how Christianity is involved in these issues we are SUPPPOSED to be discussing or Blackwater. Enlighten me, please.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I still fail to see how Christianity is involved in these issues we are SUPPOSED to be discussing or Blackwater. Enlighten me, please.


Hunh? This thread has the title "UFO's in politics".

Religion is politics. I don't see how Blackwater in involved in either UFO's or religion.

The Old Testament mentions Ezequiel's Wheel, which is generally considered to be related to UFO sightings. The OT is the basis of Christianity. Jesus had apparently no opinion about UFO's.

You would have think they would have been watching him, but perhaps they were just more stealthy than usual...

[Plane]

Unseen flying objects

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_(cryptozoology)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZAAUf768Ps

http://www.sergeking.com/Psience/HawRod/hawrod.html