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Arrogant, Stupid....
« on: October 22, 2006, 12:43:44 PM »
Diplomat: U.S. arrogant, stupid in Iraq

Story Highlights•Senior U.S. diplomat speaks on American "arrogance" and "stupidity" in Iraq
•U.S.-led coalition says it has killed 5 terrorists in an airstrike near Baghdad
•Bush reiterates there will be no pullout before Iraq mission is "complete"


(CNN)-- A senior U.S. State Department diplomat told Arab satellite network Al Jazeera that there is a strong possibility history will show the United States displayed "arrogance" and "stupidity" in its handling of the Iraq war.

Alberto Fernandez, director of the Office of Press and Public Diplomacy in the Bureau of Near East Affairs, made his comments on Saturday to the Qatar-based network.

"History will decide what role the United States played," he told Al Jazeera in Arabic, based on CNN translations. "And God willing, we tried to do our best in Iraq."

"But I think there is a big possibility ... for extreme criticism and because undoubtedly there was arrogance and stupidity from the United States in Iraq," the diplomat told Al Jazeera. (Watch Fernandez on Al-Jazeera -- :19)

"I can only assume his remarks must have been mistranslated. Those comments obviously don't reflect our policy," a senior Bush administration official said.

Fernandez told CNN that he was "not dissing U.S. policy."

"I know what the policy is and what the red lines are, and nothing I said hasn't been said before by senior officials.

"Nothing I said during this interview broke new ground," the diplomat told CNN.

Fernandez referred to a speech made by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in March in Blackburn, England.

"I am quite certain there are going to be dissertations written about the mistakes of the Bush administration," Rice said.

"I know we've made tactical errors, thousands of them, I'm sure," Rice said. "But when you look back in history, what will be judged" is whether the "right strategic decision" was made.

Fernandez's comments came as President Bush gathered his senior generals to discuss changes to strategy in Iraq, where violence has spiked in recent days.

In his weekly Saturday radio address, Bush said the U.S. military's strategy on the ground is under constant review. (Watch as Bush describes what actions have already been taken -- 5:01)

But he emphasized: "There is one thing we will not do: We will not pull our troops off the battlefield before the mission is complete."

In the Democratic radio response to Bush's Saturday radio address, Diane Farrell, who is seeking the seat of GOP Rep. Chris Shays in Connecticut, urged Bush to fire Rumsfeld and for Congress to establish benchmarks for Iraqi officials, The Associated Press reported.

Calling for a "new direction in Iraq," Farrell said: "An arbitrary departure date could be dangerous, but real goals for the new Iraqi government and its army are necessary."

The White House talks were held two days after Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said the United States was having to rethink its plan to make Baghdad safer amid an upsurge in violence he said could be linked to Ramadan and November's U.S. congressional election. (Watch how the violence is putting pressure on the Bush administration -- 1:53)

Deadly October
U.S.-led coalition forces killed five suspected terrorists and wounded a sixth in an airstrike early Sunday, a U.S. military statement said.

The coalition forces "observed a group of terrorists digging a hole in a road near Arab Jabour ... while one individual stood watch," the statement said. The airstrike "with precision fires" was launched after they witnessed the terrorists placing a bomb into the freshly dug hole.

Meanwhile, three U.S. Marines were killed by enemy action in Anbar province Saturday, the U.S. military said.

The deaths bring the October death toll to 78, the highest U.S. monthly total this year. Seventy-six troops were killed in April. A total of 2,784 troops have been killed in the war. (Full story)

Seven American contractors of the military also have died.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/22/iraq.main/index.html?eref=rss_topstories


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Re: Arrogant, Stupid....
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2006, 12:58:26 PM »
And yet another retread from the liberals.
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Re: Arrogant, Stupid....
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2006, 01:06:16 PM »
The question is not whether Fernandez spoke the truth (he did), but whether he should have spoken it at all given his position and the forum he chose. On balance, without further analysis, I tend to think he acted correctly, injecting honesty into our "direct" relations with the Muslim world. As this extended crisis plays out over the next decades, as is the case most of the time in most situations, the truth will win out, and it is better for us to be aligned with it. Indeed, there are diplomatic opportunities folded into Fernandez's gambit. Maybe the arrogance and insensitivity that rankles the Muslim world so much can transmute into an appropriate American response, maybe regrets and apologies for a mistake ... and a renewed commitment to permanently oust corrosive radicalism wherever it might be found. Yeah, that's the ticket: let's try honesty and build a "coalition of the honest" against violent radicals.

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Re: Arrogant, Stupid....
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2006, 01:13:52 PM »
Well, my apologies for posting a piece that I did not notice was already posted in another thread.

That said, do you have an substance to actually contribute Ami?

Any substantive response at all to the article-this time- as you couldnt muster one with the first thread.



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Re: Arrogant, Stupid....
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2006, 01:37:03 PM »
Well, my apologies for posting a piece that I did not notice was already posted in another thread.

Seems to be an ongoing problem with liberals - not reading everything before posting.

That said, do you have an substance to actually contribute Ami?

Any substantive response at all to the article-this time- as you couldnt muster one with the first thread.

Not really. Nobody, least of all me, ever claimed that this administration was perfect.
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Re: Arrogant, Stupid....
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2006, 02:26:45 PM »
An interesting issue is whether Fernandez spoke "out of turn" or whether the Administration actually meant for this message to go out.