Surrendering to Radical Islam

[Richpo64]

>>The "return" on our investment to Israel takes the form of hostility toward the US from every country in the Middle East, and many other countries around the world.<<

Actually the return on investment comes in the way of intelligence gathering and innovations in medical equipment mostly. They do take care of some of our light work, like the nuclear facility in Syria. They can do that because none of those third world countries would dare take them on in open warefare. They may be dumb, but they aren't that stupid.

As for the UN ... who gives a shit? Two countries? Oh come, you're not being serious.

[Henny]

>>That didn't work out so well in the end. They're still fighting that war to this day.<<

Didn't work out so well? Considering the aim of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria was genocide I'd say it worked out pretty well For Israel. Unless by not working out so well you think genocide would have been better.

No I don't think that genocide would have been better, but I also don't believe it would have happened. I am quite confident that the U.S., Britain, etc., would have stepped in and made sure that Israel won the war.

Well, at least you didn't disagree that the Arabs would have committed genocide. Thank you.

I do disagree that it is a given.

Funny about that - everyone assumes that the Arabs would have committed genocide, but in fact that only ones who actually have been accused of genocide are the Israelis. And no one bats an eye.

[Henny]

No one will really know what might have happened. Isreal will indeed continue to fight for what God gave them in the Old Testament until the End. Most of them know that. My friends who live there know that. It is sometimes The Way of Things.

With respect, Professor, the debate kind of ends here. If you believe that they are entitled for religious reasons and that is the most important issue at stake, then there is no use in debating politics.

Expected response. It's all cool...

Well, explain to me - what's the point of debating this politically with you?

We could debate the politics of it all day, but even if we agreed on every single point, if religious history is your litmus test for the entire debate the politics aren't important for you.

[Henny]

>>No I don't think that genocide would have been better, but I also don't believe it would have happened. I am quite confident that the U.S., Britain, etc., would have stepped in and made sure that Israel won the war.<<

I see. So you believe the Arabs would have committed genocide had the Israelis not kicked their ass or failing that American intervention. Doesn't say much for the Arabs does it?

No. See my response to Professor.

[Richpo64]

>>Funny about that - everyone assumes that the Arabs would have committed genocide ... <<

There's no need to assume anything. They made it perfectly clear they intended to kill every man woman and child in Israel.

[Henny]

>>Funny about that - everyone assumes that the Arabs would have committed genocide ... <<

There's no need to assume anything. They made it perfectly clear they intended to kill every man woman and child in Israel.

Who made it clear? Ahmadinijad?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Actually the return on investment comes in the way of intelligence gathering and innovations in medical equipment mostly. They do take care of some of our light work, like the nuclear facility in Syria. They can do that because none of those third world countries would dare take them on in open warefare. They may be dumb, but they aren't that stupid.
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Intelligence that would be unnecessary had the damned Israelis and the greedheads of Big Oil not turned every country in the region against us.

Syria would not feel threatened if not for Israel. Israel is a rock in the US shoe. It costs a fortune, and it just isn't worth the expense.

And your religious allegations about how we are supposed to subsidize God are ridiculous.

[Richpo64]

>>Who made it clear? Ahmadinijad?<<

Aren't we talking about the Six Day War?

[Henny]

>>Who made it clear? Ahmadinijad?<<

Aren't we talking about the Six Day War?

Indeed. But I assumed you meant in general.

[Richpo64]

>>Indeed. But I assumed you meant in general.<<

Well, you know what they say about assuming.

[The_Professor]

>>Indeed. But I assumed you meant in general.<<

Well, you know what they say about assuming.

Be nice, Rich. Since JS is not around, she has to wear TWO shoes. 

[Henny]

>>Indeed. But I assumed you meant in general.<<

Well, you know what they say about assuming.

Be nice, Rich. Since JS is not around, she has to wear TWO shoes. 

And since Rich is back you don't?

[Henny]

>>Indeed. But I assumed you meant in general.<<

Well, you know what they say about assuming.

Yadda yadda.

OK, back to the point. I still disagree that there would have been genocide. I believe that Cairo radio broadcast that they would exterminate Zionism.

That is not a call to exterminate the Jews. That is a call to exterminate a political force.

And you know what? All the neocons talk about "collateral damage" during wartime. "Too bad, they lost, that's what happens." But, of course, this gets a different standard.

I think it was XO who has said repeatedly that Israel will live on, but Zionism and the Israeli government has to go. I agree. Let's be pragmatic about this. There are now Israelis in Eretz Israel who were born there. There were always Jews living there. They can't be "relocated" as some of the crazy ideas go, nor wiped out, nor harmed, nor lose their stake. But they need a damn overhaul of their government, that's for sure. Yitzhak Rabin style or better. (Minus the assassination by extremist Jewish nutter Yigal Amir.)

[The_Professor]

>>Indeed. But I assumed you meant in general.<<

Well, you know what they say about assuming.

Be nice, Rich. Since JS is not around, she has to wear TWO shoes. 

And since Rich is back you don't?

Actually, I"ve got CU4, Rich and Plane, philosophically, that makes me on the way toward octopus shoe numbers.   

[Henny]

>>Indeed. But I assumed you meant in general.<<

Well, you know what they say about assuming.

Be nice, Rich. Since JS is not around, she has to wear TWO shoes. 

And since Rich is back you don't?

Actually, I"ve got CU4, Rich and Plane, philosophically, that makes me on the way toward octopus shoe numbers.   

LOL!