A Grim Milestone Ignored

[Michael Tee]

<<The only "evidence" is what your skewed rabid ieftAmerica-is-evil, Bush-is-evil, U.S.-military-is-evil opinion has concluded, despite facts and evidence to the contrary.  To the rest of those in the rational world, there is no evidence of American run torture chambers, and those caught abusing or "torturing" prisoners are prosecuted

<<Simple as that.  At least for the sane contingent on this globe>>

Uhhh, no.  The EVIDENCE is that prisoners were tortured at Abu Ghraib and Baghram Base, some of them tortured to death.  The evidence is also that all the guards and all the officers at those torture chambers at the time were serving members of the U.S. military.  Thus we have an Amerikkkan-run torture chamber.  Two of them in fact.  In operation for many months, with hundreds of prisoners being tortured.  All under the eyes of the Amerikkkan command structure.

I can appreciate that you have considerable difficulty in processing FACTS from the REAL WORLD.  It's very obvious. For a right-wing fruit-bat, facts are a bitch, eh?  Here's a way that might assist you in overcoming your rabid and utterly irrational pro-Amerikkkan bias and your apparent aversion to simple fact:  Ask yourself, one nationality at a time, who if not the Amerikkkans could have been running those torture chambers?  Were they run by Mexicans?  No.  By Malaysians?  No.  By Colngolese?  No.  Keep going, one nationality at a time until all possibilities but one are exhausted.  You'll see.  It really is not all that hard.

[sirs]

<<The only "evidence" is what your skewed rabid ieftAmerica-is-evil, Bush-is-evil, U.S.-military-is-evil opinion has concluded, despite facts and evidence to the contrary.  To the rest of those in the rational world, there is no evidence of American run torture chambers, and those caught abusing or "torturing" prisoners are prosecuted.  Simple as that.  At least for the sane contingent on this globe>>

Uhhh, no.  The EVIDENCE is that prisoners were tortured at Abu Ghraib and Baghram Base, some of them tortured to death. 

And that is evidence of ISOLATED acts, where those involved were PROSECUTED

THUS, we do NOT have anything run by americans, we have instances of abuse performed by soldiers who forgot what it means to be a U.S. Soldier.  You see Tee, your problem is what Pooch already presented to the saloon.  Your bias is SOOO beyond blinded, that NOTHING will make a dent in it, facts, proof, examples, NOTHING.  We could have a story of U.S. soldiers saving a bus full of children from running over one your alQeada buddy built IED's, and you'd claim that they saved them in order to kill them later.  That's how perverse it is.  That's how you can irrationally come to the conclusions that these isolated acts of abuse at Abu Graib, are simply "just the surface" of what really goes on at U.S. prisoner bases here & abroad. 

So, in the grand scheme of reality, it doesn't matter to you.  America is evil, Bush is evil, U.S. military is evil.....EVERYTHING must feed that template.....EVERYTHING.  Sad, but there you have it


The evidence is also that all the guards and all the officers at those torture chambers at the time were serving members of the U.S. military.  Thus we have an Amerikkkan-run torture chamber.  Two of them in fact.  In operation for many months, with hundreds of prisoners being tortured.  All under the eyes of the Amerikkkan command structure.

I can appreciate that you have considerable difficulty in processing FACTS from the REAL WORLD.  It's very obvious. For a right-wing fruit-bat, facts are a bitch, eh?  Here's a way that might assist you in overcoming your rabid and utterly irrational pro-Amerikkkan bias and your apparent aversion to simple fact:  Ask yourself, one nationality at a time, who if not the Amerikkkans could have been running those torture chambers?  Were they run by Mexicans?  No.  By Malaysians?  No.  By Colngolese?  No.  Keep going, one nationality at a time until all possibilities but one are exhausted.  You'll see.  It really is not all that hard.
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[Michael Tee]

<<THUS, we do NOT have anything run by americans, we have instances of abuse performed by soldiers who forgot what it means to be a U.S. Soldier.  >>

I guess, sirs, you have spun a little narrative around the torturers of Abu Ghraib.  With no knowledge of the situation and a studied determination to ignore any and all facts to the contrary, you have decided that the torturers "forgot what it means to be a U.S. soldier."  Where did you find any evidence that this was so?  Did any of them even make that claim?  Of course not.  YOU made it up for them.  Just one more example of your inability and/or unwillingness to live in the real world and the Herculean efforts you have to make to construct a fantasy world that enables you to maintain the ridiculous bullshit running like a crawl at the bottom of whatever monitor screen your brain is reading 24/7 in contravention of every obvious fact to the contrary:  "Amerikkka goooood, Bush goooood,  U.S. military goooood."

<<You see Tee, your problem is what Pooch already presented to the saloon.  Your bias is SOOO beyond blinded, that NOTHING will make a dent in it, facts, proof, examples, NOTHING. >>


Here we go again, same old bullshit.  No facts, no proof, no examples, NOTHING.  As if I made up all stories of "collateral damage," torture, murder, rape, faked documentation of WMD, casualties, etc.  That all counts for nothing.  But anything YOU say and POOCH says, that is fucking Gospel.  I am biased, unworthy of belief, blinded, etc. and the capstone on all this is not merely my alleged total lack of evidence for any position I've taken but the concurrence of the two greatest minds on this board, yours and Pooch's.  Well, pardon me if I snicker.  I'm really trying my very best not to laugh out loud.  Not to go . . . .BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, but there, I couldn't help it.

<< We could have a story of U.S. soldiers saving a bus full of children from running over one your alQeada buddy built IED's, and you'd claim that they saved them in order to kill them later. >>

Why don't you wait till you actually have such a story before telling me how I'd react to it?  So far most of the stories I've seen involving Iraqi kids and GI's end with the Iraqi kids as "collateral damage" and some very concerned and thoughtful comment on how disturbing this must have been for the GI killers, who were probably back at their base guzzling beer and watching porno movies within an hour of the "unfortunate incident" or "tragedy."

<<That's how perverse it is.  That's how you can irrationally come to the conclusions that these isolated acts of abuse at Abu Graib, are simply "just the surface" of what really goes on at U.S. prisoner bases here & abroad. >>

Well, nothing "perverse" about it, nothing "irrational" about the conclusion, nothing "isolated" about the acts of abuse, but otherwise, yeah, you seem to have a handle on that.

<<So, in the grand scheme of reality, it doesn't matter to you.  America is evil, Bush is evil, U.S. military is evil.>>

That IS the "grand scheme of reality" - - unfortunately.  And it won't change, even with a Democrat in the Oval Office - - unless that Democrat is Kucinich.

[sirs]

<<So, in the grand scheme of reality, it doesn't matter to you.  America is evil, Bush is evil, U.S. military is evil.>>

That IS the "grand scheme of reality". 

I appreciate the validation, thanks