question about prolife &religion

[Seamus]

kimba1, I randomly selected a pro-life organization from google. http://www.prolifeaction.org/ and asked them your question.

A lot depends on who you ask.

Yeah, even the gentleman I corresponded with admitted there was some room for discussion in their organization.  But I believe he was pretty fair handed in his answer.  I offered him the URL to this site.  He may or may not choose to respond on his own.  I did, however, find his information... well, informative.

[kimba1]

wow thanks seamus

this also brings more questions

is it wrong for couple to decide to never have sex??
<The sexual act - or, the marital act or one-flesh union - is a physical expression of a couple's marriage commitment. In a very real sense, when a couple engages in one-flesh union, they are renewing their wedding vows, an essential component of which is to accept children lovingly from God (cf.
Gen. 1:28, 2:24; Luke 1:38).>

is the willingness to not renew thier marriage vows.

this question maybe too involve to get an answer.

I do notice couple who decide not have children get harrassed abit.
of course every parent says they don`t harrass
but on this subject they hardly can be called civil.
the most common phrased spoken is selfish

[Seamus]

wow thanks seamus

this also brings more questions

is it wrong for couple to decide to never have sex??
<The sexual act - or, the marital act or one-flesh union - is a physical expression of a couple's marriage commitment. In a very real sense, when a couple engages in one-flesh union, they are renewing their wedding vows, an essential component of which is to accept children lovingly from God (cf.
Gen. 1:28, 2:24; Luke 1:38).>

is the willingness to not renew thier marriage vows.

this question maybe too involve to get an answer.

I do notice couple who decide not have children get harrassed abit.
of course every parent says they don`t harrass
but on this subject they hardly can be called civil.
the most common phrased spoken is selfish

Well, as I'm not a self proclaimed pro-lifer OR pro-choicer, and I'm rather agnostic...  All I can say about NOT having children as being selfish is... Overpopulation Much???

Seems to me it's almost more selfish to HAVE children when there are thousands who are being born that are either being put in the system or SHOULD be.  We have plenty already...

[Plane]

What sort of person is haveing plenty of Kids?

Is that the sort of person that will dominate the future?

[Seamus]

What sort of person is haveing plenty of Kids?

Is that the sort of person that will dominate the future?

I think I missed something. 

I'm trying to say that there are many children to adopt.  Also, there are many children in the welfare program that could be fostered.  I don't see that anyone can claim that its' selfish NOT to have kids when we as a nation are...  throwing them away?

[BT]

I don't see that anyone can claim that its' selfish NOT to have kids when we as a nation are...  throwing them away?

Let us assume that the prime directive is to leave this vale better than we found it. What better way than to raise, nurture and train someone who will leave the world a better place than you left to them.

[Lanya]

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2007/10/18/cnn-s-cafferty-slams-bush-s-anti-birth-control-twilight-zone-appointe

relevance?

I was trying to find answers to Kimba's question, and came upon that article. I thought it was interesting and somewhat informative. 

[BT]

I thought it was interesting and somewhat informative.

I found it self serving and petty.

Do you believe sex education is a waste of time?

Hand out contraceptives like candy and let kids be prisoners of their hormones?

And i am referring to all ages of kids.

[Lanya]

You didn't like the article much, I see.
I of course believe in sex education.  Handing out contraceptives like candy, no, i don't believe in that.   

[BT]

I of course believe in sex education.  Handing out contraceptives like candy, no, i don't believe in that.   

So what is your problem with Orr's approach?

[kimba1]

sex ed is a tricky thing
it`s assumed that it`s a licence for kids to have sex.
but nobody actually gave it thought,how hard kids have it
remember adult men don`t like using rubbers
so can you imagine kids dealing with them
it`s a chore just for adult to take vitamins
so a teenage girl to take a pill can be tough
don`t forget the side effect of the pill
so birthcontrol is not exactly an endorsement for more sex.

[Seamus]

I don't see that anyone can claim that its' selfish NOT to have kids when we as a nation are...  throwing them away?

Let us assume that the prime directive is to leave this vale better than we found it. What better way than to raise, nurture and train someone who will leave the world a better place than you left to them.

Oh, I'm all over you with agreement!  I'm just bringing up the idea that we should take one of the children that already exist and do it.  Bring them in, raise them and nurture them and show them what the meaning of your family is all about.  Their genetic makeup may be different, but the SOUL of your family will live on.

[BT]

I'm just bringing up the idea that we should take one of the children that already exist and do it.  Bring them in, raise them and nurture them and show them what the meaning of your family is all about.  Their genetic makeup may be different, but the SOUL of your family will live on.

What's stopping you?

[Seamus]

I'm just bringing up the idea that we should take one of the children that already exist and do it.  Bring them in, raise them and nurture them and show them what the meaning of your family is all about.  Their genetic makeup may be different, but the SOUL of your family will live on.

What's stopping you?

Me personally? Plenty of (private) reasons, mostly stemming from health.  All of which will be keeping me from having ANY children, biological or adopted.

[Amianthus]

I'm trying to say that there are many children to adopt.

Tried adopting one in this country recently?

It's such a pain that my sister went to China and Russia to adopt her two kids. They pretty much told her and my brother in law that since they're white, and most of the kids available for adoption in the US are black, hispanic, or mixed race, that it would be near impossible for them to adopt one of 'em. Seems like the powers that be frown on whites raising colored babies and go to lengths to prevent it from happening.