Hillary Clinton Is Wrong For America Thread

[Plane]

Once more, explain how it has come to pass that the Euro, the Yen, the Pound and the Canadian dollar have held their value while that of the dollar has plummeted.

You say this as if it were a bad thing.

[R.R.]

Another Ethics Scandal Rocks the Clintons

The Securities and Exchange Commission has launched an investigation into InfoUSA, a Nebraska company that used corporate funds to fly Hillary Rodham Clinton around the country, and one of only two companies to put Bill Clinton on its payroll after he left the White House.

The firm, a major provider of database-processing services, disclosed little about the nature of the probe in a filing to shareholders released yesterday.


The two-sentence filing said only that InfoUSA received a letter last week "informing the Company that the SEC is conducting an informal investigation . . . and is requesting the voluntary production of documents relating to related party transactions, expense reimbursement, other corporate expenditures and certain trading in the Company's securities."

Calls to an InfoUSA spokesman were not returned. Mark C. Hansen, a Washington lawyer for the company's founder, Vinod Gupta, did not return calls late yesterday. Nor did an official in the SEC's Denver office, where the probe was initiated.

Two sources familiar with the company's troubles suggested that investigators would focus their attention on executives' use of company money to feather their own nests. Gupta has been a major financial supporter of the Clintons since he met the president in the mid-1990s. Gupta and his company donated $1 million to help underwrite a lavish year 2000 New Year's Eve celebration at the White House and on the Mall.

He paid the former president $200,000 to deliver a speech to InfoUSA executives in Papillion, Neb., and signed the former president to a $3.3 million consulting deal. For the past four years, both Clintons have used Gupta's corporate plane, flying to Switzerland, Hawaii, Jamaica and Mexico ? about $900,000 worth of travel, The Post reported in May.

Earlier this year, the company's spending on the Clintons gave rise to a shareholder lawsuit complaining that hiring the former president was a "waste of corporate assets."

Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign declined comment last night, referring reporters instead to a Delaware court's ruling in August that allowed the shareholder lawsuit to proceed against InfoUSA on two of the five original allegations. Among the allegations dismissed by the court was one asserting that Clinton's consulting contract was a waste of money.

The chancery court stated in that ruling that while some stock options granted to Bill Clinton may have been approved improperly, the shareholders had failed to prove his consulting arrangement was a waste of money. "Indeed, the company has estimated that the relationship with former President Clinton might be responsible for up to $40 million in sales," the court wrote.

The court, however, said it was possible that shareholders could make a legal issue out of the Clinton flights.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/21/AR2007112102280.html?hpid=topnews

[R.R.]

America hates Hillary Clinton and Co


Mrs Clinton might be the frontrunner in the polls, but almost everywhere we went people questioned her candidacy. Many stated bluntly that they did not want a woman in charge. "It's a man's world," said Hugh Laflin, 62, a Kansas truck driver. "Would a Middle East sheikh talk to a lady president?"

A Vietnam veteran in Arizona and a Florida gun-shop owner were among those who made crude jokes about America "going to war every 30 days" under a female president. We never brought up Bill Clinton's sexual dalliances, but many ordinary Americans did. "She couldn't keep her own home together, so how can we trust her to manage America?" asked Micki Martinson, a housewife in Somerset, Pennsylvania.

While we found many people who hated Mrs Clinton, those who loved her were few and far between.

And the frequently expressed nightmare for Democrats is that she will win their party's nomination but lose to a Republican next November when most Americans decide they don't much like her.

"I'm always amazed how we can screw things up," said Steve Ayers, a coffee-shop owner in Hannibal. "Maybe the way we screw it up this time is by nominating Hillary - across the Midwest that would be the only way of unifying Republicans."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/24/wamerica124.xml&page=1

[Henny]

America hates Hillary Clinton and Co


Mrs Clinton might be the frontrunner in the polls, but almost everywhere we went people questioned her candidacy. Many stated bluntly that they did not want a woman in charge. "It's a man's world," said Hugh Laflin, 62, a Kansas truck driver. "Would a Middle East sheikh talk to a lady president?"

A Vietnam veteran in Arizona and a Florida gun-shop owner were among those who made crude jokes about America "going to war every 30 days" under a female president. We never brought up Bill Clinton's sexual dalliances, but many ordinary Americans did. "She couldn't keep her own home together, so how can we trust her to manage America?" asked Micki Martinson, a housewife in Somerset, Pennsylvania.

While we found many people who hated Mrs Clinton, those who loved her were few and far between.

And the frequently expressed nightmare for Democrats is that she will win their party's nomination but lose to a Republican next November when most Americans decide they don't much like her.

"I'm always amazed how we can screw things up," said Steve Ayers, a coffee-shop owner in Hannibal. "Maybe the way we screw it up this time is by nominating Hillary - across the Midwest that would be the only way of unifying Republicans."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/24/wamerica124.xml&page=1

This is awful. Let's rate Hillary on her merits (or lack thereof) rather than focusing on her gender.

[sirs]

This is awful. Let's rate Hillary on her merits (or lack thereof) rather than focusing on her gender.

Well, there sure is plenty of that..........lack thereof

[BT]

http://www.fundmasteryblog.com/2007/11/24/good-news-on-the-declining-dollar-savings-more/

[Plane]

http://www.fundmasteryblog.com/2007/11/24/good-news-on-the-declining-dollar-savings-more/

http://www.fundmasteryblog.com/2007/10/02/579-trillion-american-net-worth/


Nice site BT!

[R.R.]

This is awful. Let's rate Hillary on her merits (or lack thereof) rather than focusing on her gender.

I'm just an honest broker of information. In this case, it was a story showing what voters in middle America really think about Hillary Clinton.

Besides, Hillary played the gender card herself and got blasted for it by other Democrat campaigns.

The people quoted in this article are not against women serving as president, I don't think, just THIS woman. Condi Rice and even Sandra Day O'Conner would made outstanding presidents. Laura Bush would be a better president than Hillary hands down.

Hillary has thrown lamps at Bill Clinton. She went on profanity laced tirades against state employees and staffers using the F word repeatedly. There is even evidence she yelled at the top of her lungs at somebody and called them a J*w B*stard.

Bill Clinton has constantly cheated on this woman. He was never faithful to her during their marriage. There are even stories now that he is continually seeing other women. Why should voters show any type of faithfulness and loyalty to Hillary Clinton, when even her own husband won't?

Fair question?

[Henny]

This is awful. Let's rate Hillary on her merits (or lack thereof) rather than focusing on her gender.

I'm just an honest broker of information. In this case, it was a story showing what voters in middle America really think about Hillary Clinton.

Besides, Hillary played the gender card herself and got blasted for it by other Democrat campaigns.

The people quoted in this article are not against women serving as president, I don't think, just THIS woman. Condi Rice and even Sandra Day O'Conner would made outstanding presidents. Laura Bush would be a better president than Hillary hands down.

Hillary has thrown lamps at Bill Clinton. She went on profanity laced tirades against state employees and staffers using the F word repeatedly. There is even evidence she yelled at the top of her lungs at somebody and called them a J*w B*stard.

Bill Clinton has constantly cheated on this woman. He was never faithful to her during their marriage. There are even stories now that he is continually seeing other women. Why should voters show any type of faithfulness and loyalty to Hillary Clinton, when even her own husband won't?

Fair question?

Framing it this way is a bit different than saying that "she will start a war every 30 days" which is a slur that can apply to any woman.

But put it this way - if this were in reverse and a male candidate had a wife who continually cheated on him, went on profanity laced tirades and threw lamps at his wife, would your analysis be any different? Is this "female behavior" or "hurt spouse" behavior?

And another thing - Bill Clinton is a serial adulterer. Should we blame Hillary for him being a complete asshole to his wife?

[sirs]

And another thing - Bill Clinton is a serial adulterer. Should we blame Hillary for him being a complete asshole to his wife?

From all accounts and deductive reasoning, we can blame her for being a serial enabler

[Xavier_Onassis]

Laura Bush would be a better president than Hillary hands down.

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She would put ther entire country on the Dewey Decimal System.
But people in DC would have to be very careful if she was doing the driving.


Really, how can you say this? Laura Bush has been a more polite version of Nancy Reagan. She has no experience in government other than being married to the worst president in history. She has not the talent, the ambition or the interest. You might as well say Dale Unser's wife or Tom Brocaw's wife. You frequently make no sense.

If I say my cat would make a better president than Juniorbush, that is what we call hyperbole. No one would assume that I really meant this. On the other hand, my cat is a feline of peace. But far too easily bribed. She's give away Arkansas for a couple of bags of kitty treats. So I am keeping her out of politics. 

I don't think sexual fidelity has ever been as important to either Clinton as it is to most Americans. If he had betrayed her POLITICALLY, then she would have gone seriously apeshit.

[Richpo64]

>>But people in DC would have to be very careful if she was doing the driving.<<

They've been dodging Teddy Kennedy and his kids for years so I imagine they'll be fine.

[R.R.]

Hillary loses to all 5 top Republicans, even Huckabee

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton trails five top Republican presidential contenders in general election match-ups, a drop in support from this summer, according to a poll released on Monday.

Clinton, a New York senator who has been at the top of the Democratic pack in national polls in the 2008 race, trails Republican candidates Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, John McCain and Mike Huckabee by three to five percentage points in the direct matches.

Some Democrats have expressed concerns about the former first lady's electability in a race against Republicans. The survey showed Clinton not performing as well as Obama and Edwards among independents and younger voters, pollster John Zogby said.

"The questions about her electability have always been there, but as we get close this suggests that is a problem," Zogby said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2645320920071126

[Xavier_Onassis]

It is refreshing to see that Richie has decided to be represented by the immature egomaniac Stewie than Satan himself. Possibly more appropriate and less disconcerting as well.

As for Hillary, I see you have taken Rush's marching orders to trash Hillary seriously. The Rushter will be proud of his evil little dittohead.

[Richpo64]

>>It is refreshing to see that Richie has decided to be represented by the immature egomaniac Stewie than Satan himself. Possibly more appropriate and less disconcerting as well.<<

Well, we lost in the semi-final game to Mentor. It was a great season though. There's lots to be proud of. As for your personal attacks, I'm sure it's just your reaction to being slapped around and proven to be such an asshole that brings on these little hissy fits.

>>As for Hillary, I see you have taken Rush's marching orders to trash Hillary seriously. The Rushter will be proud of his evil little dittohead.<<

Hey dipshit, the title of the thread is "Hillary is Wrong For America Thread." Is that to complicated for you to understand? There's another thread out there you might like better. Feel free to fuck off and take your whining over there asshole.