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Re: Hillary Clinton Is Wrong For America Thread
« Reply #165 on: December 03, 2007, 11:43:49 AM »
Romney to Address His Faith

Mitt Romney will deliver a speech entitled "Faith in America," addressing his Mormon religion, on Thursday at the George H.W. Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Tex.

His campaign is describing the address as an opportunity for Mr. Romney to "share his views on religious liberty, the grand tradition religious tolerance has played in the progress of our nation and how the governor's own faith would inform his presidency if he were elected."

Mr. Romney personally made the decision to give the speech last week, feeling it was the right moment to do so, his advisers said. After he decided he would make it, the campaign consulted with former President Bush's library, which invited him to deliver it there.


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« Reply #166 on: December 03, 2007, 03:35:01 PM »
Does anyone wonder whether Romney wears the special Mormon underwear?

Neither boxers nor briefs, it is sort of a unionsuit, with symbols and cutouts in entirely unobscene places.

The proper term is 'church garments', I think.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Is Wrong For America Thread
« Reply #167 on: December 03, 2007, 03:42:44 PM »
Does anyone wonder whether Romney wears the special Mormon underwear?  Neither boxers nor briefs, it is sort of a unionsuit, with symbols and cutouts in entirely unobscene places.

Is this actually something you "wonder about" in a Presidential candidate Xo??   ???   PLEASE say you don't.  Lie if you have to




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« Reply #168 on: December 03, 2007, 03:56:56 PM »
I find a religion that requires special underwear a tad fascinating.

I was raised a Methodist, but all my mother ever worried about was CLEAN underwear.In case of an accident you know.

Maybe she felt that if I had appeare d in the ER  with holes or stains on my undies, perhaps she felt that she might be surreptitiously accused or child neglect, But the avoidance of ragged undies is not a specifically Methodist thing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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Re: Hillary Clinton Is Wrong For America Thread
« Reply #169 on: December 03, 2007, 05:19:33 PM »
Hillary in full panic; Releases Obama's kindegarten and third grade "essays" This is no fucking joke!

'I Know I Am, But What Are You?!'

The Chicago Tribune's political blog The Swamp notes the latest example of the increasingly bizarre nature of the 2008 presidential campaign.

Apparently in answer to Barak Obama's sarcastic digs at Hillary Clinton for her well-known long-standing desire to become president, Sen. Clinton's campaign put out a press release noting that Sen. Obama wrote 'essays' in kindergarten and third grade saying he wanted to become president.

Yes, you read that correctly. From the Clinton press release:

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In third grade, Senator Obama wrote an essay titled 'I Want To Be a President.' His third grade teacher: Fermina Katarina Sinaga "asked her class to write an essay titled 'My dream: What I want to be in the future.' Senator Obama wrote 'I want to be a President,' she said." [The Los Angeles Times, 3/15/07]

In kindergarten, Senator Obama wrote an essay titled 'I Want to Become President.? "Iis Darmawan, 63, Senator Obama's kindergarten teacher, remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. He wrote an essay titled, 'I Want To Become President,' the teacher said." [AP, 1/25/07 ]

http://www.theneweditor.com/index.php?/archives/7278-I-Know-I-Am,-But-What-Are-You!.html

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Re: Hillary Clinton Is Wrong For America Thread
« Reply #170 on: December 04, 2007, 10:40:31 AM »
Perhaps there is somewhere you could go to get a life.

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« Reply #171 on: December 04, 2007, 11:02:45 AM »
Perhaps there is somewhere you could go to get a life.

Yea, where you could go and think about other people's underwear
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Re: Hillary Clinton Is Wrong For America Thread
« Reply #172 on: December 04, 2007, 01:04:34 PM »
December 4, 2007

Vulnerable Democrats Afraid of Clinton

By CARL HULSE

MANHATTAN, Kan. ? Nancy Boyda, a Democrat who ran for Congress in this district last year, owed her upset victory partly to the popularity of the Democratic woman at the top of the ticket: Kathleen Sebelius, who won the governor?s seat. Now, with a tough re-election race at hand in 2008, Ms. Boyda faces the prospect that her electoral fate could be tied to another woman: Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Mrs. Clinton is a long way from winning the Democratic presidential nomination, and over the last few weeks has struggled to hang on to the air of inevitability that she has been cultivating all year. But the possibility that she will be the nominee is already generating concern among some Democrats in Republican-leaning states and Congressional districts, who fear that sharing the ticket with her could subject them to attack as too liberal and out of step with the values of their constituents.

And few incumbent Democrats face a greater challenge next year than Ms. Boyda, whose district delivered almost 60 percent of its votes to President Bush in 2004.

Ms. Boyda, 52, is a former Republican who represents the state capital, Topeka, and a surrounding expanse of prairie and pasture interspersed with conservative small towns, military posts and this college community, home to Kansas State University. It was by appealing to conservative Democrats and moderate Republicans that she was able to defeat Jim Ryun, a five-term congressman, by 51 percent to 47 percent last year.

This time both Mr. Ryun and another Republican, Lynn Jenkins, the state treasurer, are lined up to run against her. And while vulnerable Democrats like her are not likely to have an easy time even if Senator Barack Obama, John Edwards or any of the other Democratic presidential candidates wins the nomination, Republicans in Kansas say Mrs. Clinton?s presence on the ticket would unite their party in opposition to her and give dispirited conservatives a reason to get excited about the race.

Ms. Boyda is one of a group of House Democrats ? including fellow freshmen like Zack Space of Ohio, Nick Lampson of Texas, Heath Shuler of North Carolina and Brad Ellsworth of Indiana ? who will be battling for re-election in Republican territory.

In the Senate, Mary L. Landrieu of Louisiana faces a similar challenge, and in an indication of what she and other Democrats, including Senators Max Baucus of Montana and Mark Pryor of Arkansas, could face, Republicans unveiled a Web commercial on Monday linking Ms. Landrieu directly to Mrs. Clinton. In the advertisement, Mrs. Clinton?s face morphs into Ms. Landrieu?s, and they are described as ?two peas in a pod.?

Advisers to Mrs. Clinton, who has long sought to parry concerns within her party that she is too polarizing, dispute the idea that she could hinder Democratic candidates in Republican districts. They note that New York Democrats gained a net of four House seats in her two Senate elections and that she campaigned actively for House contenders in both.

?Anyone can speculate, but there are a set of facts that tell a very different story,? said Howard Wolfson, communications director for the Clinton campaign. ?The actual evidence makes clear that she is an asset in tough districts.?

But Patrick Leopold, campaign manager for Ms. Jenkins, said a Clinton nomination would work in favor of either his candidate or Mr. Ryun, the other prospective Republican opponent of Ms. Boyda. ?Whether you are a moderate Republican or a conservative Republican in Kansas, you are pretty much of the same mind on Hillary Clinton,? Mr. Leopold said. ?There is no question Hillary is going to be a drag for Boyda.?

The mere mention of Mrs. Clinton?s name as a potential president drew a strong reaction from Tom Doperalski, an official in rural Pottawatomie County who had just finished meeting with Ms. Boyda about how to contend with growth issues arising out of the increase of troops stationed at nearby Fort Riley.

?The people I talk to, they just cannot imagine a worse scenario,? said Mr. Doperalski, a Republican who heads the county commission. ?They just don?t think she can be trusted.?

Ms. Boyda, who is trying to establish a political identity as independent, said her intent was simply to show the voters of both parties in her district that she was delivering for them. Of the presidential race, she said: ?It is something I have no control over, quite honestly. They will demonize any Democrat who becomes the nominee. I just put my head down and work.?

She said she was putting her faith in Kansans? willingness to split tickets. ?Kansans are very practical people,? she said. ?They just want people who will get the job done.?

To try to create some distance from her party, Ms. Boyda has publicly opted out of a special Democratic fund-raising and strategy program for endangered House members. She is taking conservative assaults head-on, appearing regularly on talk radio programs in her district to try to establish a dialogue and, she says, challenge misconceptions about her record.

She is also keeping a busy schedule of appearances throughout the district in an effort to show residents that she has not ?gone Washington.? An impression that Mr. Ryun had done so hurt his chances in her race against him last year.

House Democrats do not like to discuss the idea of reverse coattails for fear of giving it too much credence and angering the Clinton camp. But they are privately nervous about what Mrs. Clinton?s nomination might mean in Republican-leaning locales where they made gains in 2006 that were crucial to their becoming the majority.

Democrats say they have not polled on the issue, though a private survey that surfaced this year found that the nomination of either Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama could cut into support for House Democrats in tough districts.

Representative Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, says incumbent Democrats in generally Republican districts proved very capable of holding on in the last presidential election. He says the national race gives House candidates a chance to emphasize their independence by breaking with the presidential nominee when they differ.

?This is an opportunity to distinguish themselves on the issues from whoever the nominee is,? Mr. Van Hollen said. ?If they approach it right and tell their constituents where they stand, it enhances their credibility and independence.?

There are indications that Ms. Boyda is making progress on that score. Greg Unruh, the administrator of a hospital that she visited the other day, said, ?I may be of a different political party, but she has done a good job as a freshman.?

And Mr. Doperalski, the county commissioner, as well as his two fellow Republicans on the three-member board, says any antipathy toward Mrs. Clinton will not necessarily mean enmity toward Ms. Boyda. ?She will be judged on the job she does,? he said.

Joe Aistrup, chairman of the political science department at Kansas State, said Ms. Boyda was putting the advantages of incumbency to good use, and would need them. Mr. Aistrup estimated that as the nominee for governor, Ms. Sebelius was worth five percentage points to Ms. Boyda?s vote total in 2006 ? the difference between winning and losing ? and said the congresswoman should count on no such assistance from above this time.

?I don?t think Hillary Clinton helps her in any way, shape or form,? he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/us/politics/04ballot.html

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Re: Hillary Clinton Is Wrong For America Thread
« Reply #173 on: December 05, 2007, 01:09:52 AM »
Reich: Clinton lacks 'conviction about anything'

(CNN) ? Bill Clinton's former Secretary of Labor issued a blistering criticism of the former president's wife on Monday, accusing her of "not telling the truth" on Social Security and taking marching orders from her top pollster.

Reich, who has not endorsed a candidate but has written glowingly of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama in recent months, ripped Hillary Clinton for saying Sunday that Iowa voters will have a choice "between someone who talks the talk, and somebody who's walked the walk."

"I don?t get it," Reich wrote on his blog. "If there?s anyone in the race whose history shows unique courage and character, it's Barack Obama. HRC?s campaign, by contrast, is singularly lacking in conviction about anything. Her pollster, Mark Penn, has advised her to take no bold positions and continuously seek the political center, which is exactly what she?s been doing."

Reich, who calls Clinton "my old friend" in the blog post, has a long-standing relationship with the Clintons, going back to when Reich and the former President were classmates and Rhodes Scholars at Oxford in the late 1960s. He left the Clinton administration in 1997 and now teaches public policy at the University of California-Berkeley.


Reich called Obama's Social Security plan to lift the cap on payroll taxes above $98,000 "a progressive solution" and said Clinton's preference to form a commission to examine how to fix Social Security is "avoiding the issue, and it's irresponsible."

He also picked apart Clinton's health care plan: "HRC doesn?t indicate how she'd enforce her mandate, and I can't find enough money in HRC?s plan to help all those who won?t be able to afford to buy it."

Reich called the New York senator's recent attacks on Obama a "series of slurs."

"If she's worried her polls are dropping, this is not the way to build them back up."

The Clinton campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/03/reich-clinton-lacks-conviction-about-anything/

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« Reply #174 on: December 05, 2007, 12:53:08 PM »
I think Hillary is being careful to not alienate anyone. I am sure her handlers have told her that she will get the nomination if she doesn't make any major gaffes, so the conservative route is the preferred route. It is otherwise known as Risk Avoidance. Or "wishy washy, if you will. No amount of Cialis will change this approach.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Is Wrong For America Thread
« Reply #175 on: December 05, 2007, 10:49:01 PM »
Clinton campaign is pushing that Obama is a Muslim

December 5, 2007

The infamous Obama-is-a-secret Muslim smear (repeatedly shown to be false) has been winging around the internet via an email forward since late December last year. As I documented for the Nation, it's a permutation of a charge first leveled by a fringe figure in Illinois, but has since been forwarded around by ordinary people either out of ignorance, credulousness or malice. We now have the first example of the smear being forwarded by a someone tied to a rival campaign. Yesterday, Gary Hart, the Jones County Chair of the Democratic party in Iowa (and a Dodd supporter) wrote a diary on DailyKos saying he'd been forwarded the infamous email by an unnamed "Clinton county chair."


In a comment posted in response, the Clinton campaign's Internet Director Peter Daou, posted a statement from the campaign confirming that the email had indeed been forwarded by a "volunteer county coordinator," but said it was "wholly unauthorized" and that the campaign was "unaware of it."

"We are asking this volunteer county coordinator to step down," the statement continued "and are making it clear to every person involved in our campaign that this will not be tolerated."

I've got a call into Gary Hart right now for further details.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=257119

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« Reply #176 on: December 05, 2007, 11:05:22 PM »
UPDATE: Greg Sargent has talked to Hart and confirmed that he did, indeed, receive the email. Ben Smith at the Politico has acquired a copy of the email itself and discovered that it was also sent to a Clinton campaign staffer. Which means the campaign knew that one of their country chairs was sending this around.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Is Wrong For America Thread
« Reply #177 on: December 06, 2007, 08:09:42 PM »
Clinton's Lead Evaporates in South Carolina

A new Rasmussen Reports survey of likely primary voters in South Carolina shows Sen. Hillary Clinton with a small lead in the Democratic presidential race with 36% support, followed by Sen. Barack Obama at 34% and John Edwards trails at 13%.

Key finding: "Obama?s showing has improved significantly among black voters. He now attracts 51% of the African-American vote in South Carolina while Clinton picks up just 27%. A month ago, the candidates were even in this important constituency."

Among Republicans, Mike Huckabee continues the surge he's seen in Iowa and now leads with 25%, followed by Mitt Romney at 18%, Fred Thompson at 18%, Rudy Giuliani at 12%, and Sen. John McCain at 9%.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Is Wrong For America Thread
« Reply #178 on: December 06, 2007, 11:14:57 PM »
As  a Republican , I don't consider it my role to choose the candidate of the Democrats.

That being said , there are good things to be expected from another Clinton presidency.

Remember it was Bill Clinton that put in the "don't ask don't tell policy" pretty much as a ricochet from attempting to use the power of the presidency to  emplace its opposite.

Hillary managed to make one of Nixons favorite ideas  seem odious to Republicans when she pushed for national health care .

The Clinton Co-presidency ushered in the "Republican revolution" and the most dramatic turn over of the Congress between parties since the Civil War, without them would anything of the sort have been possible? Newt is smart but not that smart.

Following the Republican Revolution Bill and Hillary started getting ahead of the Republicans by co-opting all of their best ideas , NAFTA , Welfare reform , and by pushing a Republican agenda stole the wind from the Republican sail, this might be frustrating when the credit goes the wrong way ,but it gets good things done.

Reagan built up the Armed Forces but the Clintons got better use of it , from them we know that it is possible to go to hot war and have very few casualties (on our side).

If Hillary wins the Presidency, Ann Colter , Rush Limbaugh and Marlin Maddox can open new bank accounts .

Lets be sanguine , once in a while every team has  building year , and if there is anyone we could elect that wold make the Republicans look good Hillary Clinton is not the worst choice , She might even be the best choice , none of the other candidates have so much actual experience already in making Republicans look good.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Is Wrong For America Thread
« Reply #179 on: March 29, 2008, 03:34:43 PM »
Leahy tells Clinton to quit

Published: March 28, 2008 at 6:48 PM

WASHINGTON, March 28 (UPI) -- U.S. Sen. Patrick Leahy, one of the most prominent Democrats in Congress, Friday called on Hillary Clinton to give up her presidential race.

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When I started this thread last year, I never dreamed this would happen.

It now looks like it's going to be a nightmare ending for the Democrat race. When Hillary wins Pennsylvania and a handful of the other remaining 10 states, she is going to have momentum. Obama has yet to close the deal with voters, after many, many chances to do so. This one is not going to end pretty. And who does all this disarray help?