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Re: Map of hate crimes
« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2007, 08:24:57 PM »
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LOL.  That's beautiful.  I love how, faced with a barrage of facts and logic, the right-wing deniers of Southern racism zero in on the ONE POINT they might be able to successfully dispute ("Me?  I never denied the existence of racism!") which allows them to dodge the 99% accuracy of everything else you said.

It's as if you nailed them with a shotgun blast to the chest but one pellet sailed over their head, and they cry out triumphantly, Ya missed!!  Yer WAY off target!!   They're hilarious.  They deal with the points they want to deal with.

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I don't get it.  What's H guilty of?

You tell me, numbnuts. You're the one that made it sound as though I were guilty of something. What, other than proving crane is a liar?

I'm starting to get tired of folks in here trying to make me out some sort of racist.
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Re: Map of hate crimes
« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2007, 10:02:40 PM »
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Folks like you, Hr.muppph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists...

Liar.

Go here ( http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=4589.15 ), and scroll down to the bear thumbing its nose - I clearly said racism exists.  --Hnumpah

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I love it when posters examine the fabric for a simple or single item, spot a bot on the body of the issue, and pretend they can extend that as proof of the fallacy of the whole point, or claim proof enought to call someone a liar.   I have seen that often in here.   Films by Michael Moore have often been attacked like this--one item of questional interpretation earns Moore the label of liar, thus hoping to invalidate all his whistle-blowing gems.  It is a posture full of hubris and disingenuous, but there you are.   I ask you, given the paucity of real return, what else can they do?



If you look at my post, you will see that in this quote:  "Folks like you, Hr.mupph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists, and that confounds logic . . ." I am talking about racism as it appears on this board from time to time (true, without me, and before Tee, it would not come up at all), or why else would I include "almost every other male or female in here"?   Once again, a stretch that is intellectually embarassing.  You did not look before you spit.

I know you said that racism does exist, as a conciliatory intro to suggest that racism is not a Southern issue and more than it is a Northern issue.  I saw that and I yawned.

I also know you began there, and from there, as always, seek to trivialize or outright deny that racism exists as much in the South as it does in the North, or that when remarks occur in the media, or issues and people derived therefrom, they are be considered racism.   Don't take my word for it.  Ask your friends on that single point.  "Do I always seem to deny . . . .?"  In case you missed the memo, racism is beyond the boundaries of partisianship or the automatic choosing of a side in a debate.   

If it is a tally of posts from the both of you that can be called racist, or suggesting racism, I have no need to go back and point them out, though I could.  Instead, I will merely point them out ad infinitum when they appear from now on, which they surely will.

The fact that the both of you presume that your anecdotal observations carry the clout condlusive enough to prove anything is a source of amusement for anybody reading. 

People up North who have confederate bumper stickers are one of two people:  l)  Southern racists, transposed, or 2) racists so impoverished mentally that they have to borrow a hate image from a frothing redneck in order to express themselves re those they can safely imagine are beneath them, and, to boot, they cannot even pretend to claim 'heritage.'   I would suppose the latter ignoramus lacks the bloodlines of the former ignoramus--that would be in keeping with the elitist part of the South so often intimated that we all have to suffer to swallow.

I have the same reaction Blacks in America do when they see this hate symbol displayed, while the both of you continue to erect your camp around the defense of it. 


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Re: Map of hate crimes
« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2007, 10:09:10 PM »
<<You're the one that made it sound as though I were guilty of something.>>

I did?  Where?  I thought you were one of the good guys and as far as I know, I never said anything different.  Put up or shut up.

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« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2007, 10:13:54 PM »
http://www.ncbm.org/members_of_NCBM.html


Black people elected mayor.

Happens often enough , try getting elected in Atlanta otherwise.

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Re: Map of hate crimes
« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2007, 10:16:43 PM »
why else would I include "almost every other male or female in here"?

Except that isn't what you said.
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« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2007, 10:22:22 PM »
http://www.pbs.org/pov/pov2005/streetfight/special_mayors.html

According to a 2001 study on black elected officials by the Joint Center for Politics and Economic studies, 57.1 percent of big city black mayors were elected in cities without a black majority. The same study counted 454 black mayors, 39 congressional office holders and a total of 9,101 black elected officials nationwide. The state with the largest number of black officials and black mayors was Mississippi, with 892 black officials and 54 black mayors. Each state had at least one black elected official except for Hawaii, Montana, North Dakota, and South Dakota.


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Re: Map of hate crimes
« Reply #51 on: November 22, 2007, 10:27:49 PM »
<<You're the one that made it sound as though I were guilty of something.>>

I did?  Where?  I thought you were one of the good guys and as far as I know, I never said anything different.  Put up or shut up.

You aplauded this line of YC prose;
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Folks like you, Hr.muppph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists, and that confounds logic, unless it is remembered that the only explanation for such an anomoly of logic is that you yourselves are racist, and the formulation of your theory permits an escape from the vise grip of guilt that would otherwise occur,

This does seem a bit personal .

But I am still having a good time myself .

I beleive your theisis tht the south is more prone to evil than the north can be disproven.

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« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2007, 10:50:23 PM »
I beleive your theisis tht the south is more prone to evil than the north can be disproven.

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No, you don't understand...

Any "proof" you provide is just evidence that the racists in the south hide it real good.
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« Reply #53 on: November 22, 2007, 11:39:52 PM »
You aplauded this line of YC prose;
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Folks like you, Hr.muppph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists, and that confounds logic, unless it is remembered that the only explanation for such an anomoly of logic is that you yourselves are racist, and the formulation of your theory permits an escape from the vise grip of guilt that would otherwise occur,

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Crane says you guys are racist and I agree with him, but I never said it was cause to feel guilty.  I'm sure I've got my own attitudes towards certain groups of people which can't be justified by any rational or ethical basis.  We're all the products of our environment and our genes.  Sorry for the holier-than-thou attitude, but I still gotta say that Crane's post  - - ALL of it - - needed to be said and had a lot of truth in it.

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Re: Map of hate crimes
« Reply #54 on: November 22, 2007, 11:58:44 PM »
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LOL.  That's beautiful.  I love how, faced with a barrage of facts and logic, the right-wing deniers of Southern racism zero in on the ONE POINT they might be able to successfully dispute ("Me?  I never denied the existence of racism!") which allows them to dodge the 99% accuracy of everything else you said.

Where have I denied it? Or should I put you in the same category of lying sack of shit yellerbird is in?
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Re: Map of hate crimes
« Reply #55 on: November 23, 2007, 06:57:36 AM »
You applauded this line of YC prose;
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Folks like you, Hr.muppph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists, and that confounds logic, unless it is remembered that the only explanation for such an anomaly of logic is that you yourselves are racist, and the formulation of your theory permits an escape from the vise grip of guilt that would otherwise occur,

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Crane says you guys are racist and I agree with him, but I never said it was cause to feel guilty.  I'm sure I've got my own attitudes towards certain groups of people which can't be justified by any rational or ethical basis.  We're all the products of our environment and our genes.  Sorry for the holier-than-thou attitude, but I still gotta say that Crane's post  - - ALL of it - - needed to be said and had a lot of truth in it.

No it didn't need to be said because it has truth in it, it needed to be said so that  attitude would be revealed , how will we know of your prejudices  if you do not speak of them?

I know you can bring forward many anecdotes to support your assertions but so can any Klansman.

It remains unfair to blanket a race with judgment on the strength of even a thousand anecdotes , or equally a region or a people defined otherwise.

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Re: Map of hate crimes
« Reply #56 on: November 23, 2007, 12:21:08 PM »
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Crane says you guys are racist and I agree with him...
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Missed that earlier, but I will remember it.

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« Reply #57 on: November 23, 2007, 01:30:25 PM »
>>Missed that earlier, but I will remember it.<<

The charge that Conservatives are racist is really just simple projection for the socialist left. It is they who are the racists as is evident by the way they treat minorities. They like to have them around when it comes time to vote, but when their usefulness is over they send them back to crime ridden neighborhoods and failed schools while maintaining the policies that keep them there. It's what I call the liberal plantation. We see liberal racism at it's most disgusting when a minority strays from the plantation and thinks for him or herself. When this happens liberal cartoonists bring out the big lipped dumb house nigger caricatures as they've done to  Justice Clarence Thomas, Condelezza Rice, Bill Cosby, and J.C. Watts. There are Black conservative thinkers and authors like Jim Sleeper, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams and John McWhorter. All of whom take a different view than the lock step mentality of the Plantation. For that they are called house niggers and worse.

As for the South being more racist than the North, I can say having lived in both parts of this great country, that the South is if anything less racist than our blue state plantations. The legacy of slavery runs deep in the South and because of that I believe and have seen evidence of the Southern White's bending over backwards when it comes to race. This despite the constance ignorance that we're seeing in this thread.

Accusations of Southern/Conservative racism really is just projection from the left. Look at what they do, not what they say.