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Henry Hyde, RIP
« on: November 30, 2007, 10:18:31 AM »
Henry Hyde, RIP
By Rich Lowry
Thursday, November 29, 2007

We haven't lacked recently for congressmen who have disgraced Congress. Now, we've lost one who ennobled it.

Henry Hyde has died at age 83. He represented a suburban Chicago district in the House for 32 years before retiring last year in failing health. When political commentators lament the passing of a Golden Age in Congress, they usually are inventing an imagined past. But Henry Hyde really did embody a set of political qualities that have become rare in an age of hyperpartisanship and YouTube debates.

He had principles, but was never a fanatic. He was partisan, but never a bomb-thrower. He defended traditional values, but never was preachy. He was respected by both sides because he knew that respect must be given to be received. He was eloquent in a way few American politicians are, and deeply literate. But he enjoyed his cigars and -- once a stand-up comic -- leavened all he did with a keen sense of humor.

One of his most extraordinary qualities was that he was persuasive and persuadable. In the mid-1980s, he doubted the need to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act. After traveling to the South for field hearings, he changed his mind and worked to convince Reagan administration officials to support the reauthorization.

Hyde came to his famous pro-life views in a characteristic way -- he considered the evidence. When he was serving in the Illinois legislature in the 1970s, a colleague asked him to co-sponsor a bill liberalizing abortion law. He hadn't thought about the issue, and read a book called "The Vanishing Right to Live" by Charlie Rice that convinced him of abortion's evil. He opposed the Illinois bill and, when elected to Congress, shepherded to passage legislation forbidding the federal funding of abortion. The Hyde Amendment has stood for decades as the most consequential piece of pro-life legislation ever to pass Congress.

The pro-life cause became one of the pillars of Hyde's public life. He once told incoming congressmen, in the political axiom he lived by, that they "need to be at least as clear on the reasons why they would risk losing as they are on the reasons why they wanted to come here in the first place." His staffers recall left-wing lioness Maxine Waters later repeating exactly the same advice to freshmen congressmen -- and attributing it to Hyde.

Hyde grew up a New Deal Democrat in an Irish-Catholic family in Chicago. He thought Republicans were "a bunch of bankers, bloated bondholders and economic royalists." The cause of anti-communism prompted him to rethink his attitude toward the GOP. He became a committed Cold Warrior, and during a career studded with legislative achievements, it was his work on national security of which he was most proud.

He will be remembered for leading the impeachment of President Bill Clinton, a cause he undertook more out of duty than of zeal (during the controversy, it was revealed that he had had an affair 30 years previously). He thought he had no choice but to champion impeachment given President Clinton's offenses against the rule of law: "It protects the innocent, it punishes the guilty, it defends the powerless, it guards freedom, it summons the noblest instincts of the human spirit."

Right, center or left, we need more representatives who love Congress the way Hyde did -- as a magnificent expression of our experiment in self-government -- and do all that they can to make it an institution worth loving. "When I cross the river for the last time," he told friends not long ago, echoing Gen. MacArthur, "my thoughts will be of the House, the House, the House."

In a speech in the midst of the impeachment fight, he had proclaimed, "We vote for our honor, which is the only thing we get to take with us to the grave." Henry Hyde departs with his honor intact, honed during decades of public service and acknowledged by all. RIP
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Rich Lowry is author of Legacy: Paying the Price for the Clinton Years .

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Re: Henry Hyde, RIP
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2007, 12:22:55 PM »
<<He defended traditional values, but never was preachy.>>

Hilarious.  People with only a little bit more on the ball than your average mollusc will remember how Henry the Hypocrite excoriated the Great Presidential Blow-Job, only to be exposed himself as an adulterer, liar and hypocrite.  The hilarious part was when the lying prick finally WAS busted, he tried to pass it off as a "youthful indiscretion."  (He had been in his forties at the time.)

Liar, hypocrite and fraud.  No wonder he's a Republican hero.  He had it all.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2007, 12:24:53 PM by Michael Tee »

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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2007, 01:07:21 PM »
I  knew someone like Mike would respond this way. Thanks for once again showing us what communists/socialists are really are.

Oh, and as far as being preachy, the Honorable Mr. Hyde has nothing on you little man.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2007, 04:08:13 PM by Richpo64 »

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Re: Henry Hyde, RIP
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2007, 01:33:44 PM »
Mikey,

I don't recall Hyde lying under oat about his indiscretions. I don't think he even went on national television and wagged his finger at the American people and said he did not" have a relationship with that woman"

So I'm not sure what he was hypocritical about.

Let's let the man rest in peace.

Let's let those who mourn his passing mourn.








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Re: Henry Hyde, RIP
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2007, 02:34:16 PM »
<<I was knew someone like Mike would respond this way. >>

Thanks, BT, you knew I wasn't dumb enough to fall for that fascist bullshit, didn't you?  I'm glad it was no surprise.

<<Thanks for once again showing us what communists/socialists really are.>>

Yeah, we're people who don't like sappy fascist BS get in the way of the truth.

<<I don't recall Hyde lying under oat about his indiscretions. I don't think he even went on national television and wagged his finger at the American people and said he did not" have a relationship with that woman">>

No, he only betrayed an oath of fidelity he took before God and his wife and then claimed to be shocked and horrified at Clinton's antics.  Till it turned out that Clinton's antics weren't really all that different from his own.

<<Let's let the man rest in peace. >>

I guess that 's up to the Good Lord if there is one, otherwise he's just vanished into oblivion, but the issue is not really how Henry the Hypocrite is resting but what kind of hypocritical BS we his survivors are compelled to listen to about him.  Why not let the rest of us rest in peace without being subjected to a torrent of fulsome crap about what a great gentleman he was.  Gentlemen don't attack other gentlemen for their sexual indiscretions, least of all when they themselves have done worse in secret.

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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2007, 02:42:53 PM »
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Why not let the rest of us rest in peace without being subjected to a torrent of fulsome crap about what a great gentleman he was.

This is a public forum. Posts are not moderated before they appear on the board.

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. As far as i know Hyde was never indicted or charged for the same offense.


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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2007, 03:23:47 PM »
The big deal was that Clinton was impeached by Congress for lying about a blow job.

Hyde had a mistress for a goodly long while in secret. Luckily for him, the democrats did not set him up with a Monica type and then threaten her with jail time, as thoug it was somehow illegal to give Bill a BJ.

Hyde expressed outrage at Clinton's brief fling, whereas he had has his own rather more involved fling and had gone unpunished.

And threin lied rhe hipocresy alleged to  previousdly.
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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2007, 03:39:07 PM »
XO

How was Clinton set up?

Did they not vet interns?

And as previously stated numerous times, Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. Does it matter what he lied about?

If so, why?



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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2007, 03:39:22 PM »
The big deal was that Clinton was impeached by Congress for lying about a blow job.

Bzzzzzz, wrong, thanks for playing.  The correct answer (unless Xo is ready to show the Articles of Impeachment that reference "blow job") is he was impeached by Congress largely for lying under oath about <*it doesn't matter*>.  Could have been about stock options, could have been that his notes were inconsistent with his sworn testimony.  What it was about, was about lying under oath.  Simple as that

Now, people can be outraged at his severe moral deprivation and treating women as mere sex toys to fulfil whatever whims he might have, but that's not why he was impeached.  And pretty much most rationally minded folks know that.

 
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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2007, 04:21:54 PM »
"When the time comes, as it surely will, when we face that awesome moment, the final judgment, I've often thought, as Fulton Sheen wrote, that it is a terrible moment of loneliness. You have no advocates, you are there alone standing before God -- and a terror will rip your soul like nothing you can imagine. But I really think that those in the pro-life movement will not be alone. I think there'll be a chorus of voices that have never been heard in this world but are heard beautifully and clearly in the next world -- and they will plead for everyone who has been in this movement. They will say to God, 'Spare him, because he loved us!'"

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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2007, 06:05:45 PM »
Of COURSE it matters what he lied about. If he lied to conceal theft of funds, or selloign secrets to the enemy, that would have been important.

I have described in great detail how Monica (who certainly did not feel abused, and who was notorious since high school for giving men in positions of authority blow jobs) was discovered by a woman named Goldberg, and despite her lackluster grades was put into the White House.

You don't want to believe it, don't, But that does not make it less true.

They needed to threaten Monica over a period of many, many hours with actual time in prison to reveal her famous blowjob. She was quite happy to have been of service

Hyde was a panderer to sanctimonious Catholics for many many years.

Clinton did not try to have Hyde impeached or removed from office for his indescretions, nor did Clinton ever try to do stuff like this, so I would name Clinton guy with the higher moral turf here.  Not that either of them were even close to superior in this matter.

I am sure that there have been worse Congressmen than Hyde, but there have also been far better. Within every Hyde there was a little Jekell tryijng to slip out, as it were.
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2007, 06:12:37 PM »
<<"When the time comes, as it surely will, when we face that awesome moment, the final judgment, I've often thought, as Fulton Sheen wrote, that it is a terrible moment of loneliness. You have no advocates, you are there alone standing before God . . . >>

What?  No masses being said for your soul?  Nobody praying for you?  Nobody saying Kaddish?  Geeze, man, what did you do, alienate EVERYbody you ever knew?

BTW, I don't think it's the end of the world that Bill lied about a fucking blow job.  It was nobody's God-damn business and he should never have been asked about it in the first place.  Compare Bush and his lies about WMD, which have led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands.    Hyde could hardly have been outraged - - he was cynically taking advantage of his own deceptively concealed sexual transgressions to cloak himself in a phony aura of moral superiority from which he delivered his holier-than-thou condemnation, never realizing that he was about to be revealed as a lying hypocrite himself.  Sweet. 

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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2007, 06:44:21 PM »
Of COURSE it matters what he lied about. If he lied to conceal theft of funds, or selloign secrets to the enemy, that would have been important.

Actually what is the "important" part regarding impeachment is not what he lied about, but that he did it under oath.  What you're referring to is the subjective, the immorality of whatever act, which isn't impeachable.  If he had lied to conceal theft of funds or sold secrets to oh, let's say China, unless they were caught, and thru investigation it was determined there was some form of egregious criminal act, that too wouldn't be impeachable.  If they lied under oath that they sold secrets to.....China, that WOULD be

Again, the common denominator here being the LYING UNDER OATH part



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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2007, 08:44:08 PM »
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I have described in great detail how Monica (who certainly did not feel abused, and who was notorious since high school for giving men in positions of authority blow jobs) was discovered by a woman named Goldberg, and despite her lackluster grades was put into the White House.

 A retired New York City insurance executive who was one of President Clinton's top contributors recommended Monica S. Lewinsky for her job as a White House intern, a former Clinton campaign official and Government investigators said.

The executive, Walter Kaye, contributed $347,000 to the Democratic National Committee and Democratic candidates, was an overnight guest at the White House and helped Ms. Lewinsky obtain her White House position. Mr. Kaye, who lives on Park Avenue, was friendly with Ms. Lewinsky's mother, Marcia Lewis, author of a book about the opera stars Luciano Pavarotti, Placido Domingo and Jose Carreras.

In a one-page blurb for her book, ''The Private Lives of the Three Tenors,'' Ms. Lewis said:

''How did the author, a glamorous Beverly Hills reporter, formally with Hollywood Reporter, get all the inside dope? She denies rumors she and (Placido) Domingo were more than friends in the 80's but read the book and see what you think.''

There is nothing in the book to support any such rumors, however.

A reporter was turned away today from Mr. Kaye's apartment in Manhattan by a person who said that no one inside wanted to speak to journalists.

Mr. Kaye has been one of the President's most stalwart backers, having also contributed to his legal defense fund. He also donated to a legal fund established by Susan McDougal, the Clintons' former business partner, who was convicted of fraud in 1996 as part of the Whitewater case prosecuted by the independent counsel, Kenneth W. Starr. A friend of Mr. Kaye, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Mr. Kaye was questioned months ago by Mr. Starr's office about his financial support of Ms. McDougal's legal case.

Mr. Kaye was also close to Hillary Rodham Clinton, a former Clinton campaign official said.

''He was very tight with Hillary,'' the official said.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04E7DD143BF930A15752C0A96E958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print

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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2007, 10:27:09 PM »
I liked Bill Clkinton, becauase he was good for the country and I liked his style.

I disliked Henry Hollier-Than -Thou Hyde, because I disagreed with damn near everything he did. Mostly if was as though he was some sort of VGatacan delegate to the government and he was an anti-choice nut, and of course, hge was an asshole, because he effing well knew that there was NO change of impeaching Clinton and he went and did it anyway just because he liked publicity or perhpoas out of spite. He did no one one damned bit of good by cooperating on the stupid impeachment.

So, no, he wasn't any sort of noble in my book, ad nho, I do not mourn his passing even a teensy bit. I was happy to see him leave the government, and as far as I was concerned he could live on to reach 200> Clinton was set up by a bitch named Lucinda Goldberg, and f*cked over by a hateful trator named Linda Tripp. Of course her father wanted to see her as a WH intern, but he was used too.
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