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CNN: Corrupt News Network
« on: December 01, 2007, 04:10:14 PM »
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-rutten1dec01,0,4122002.column?coll=la-home-center
From the Los Angeles Times

CNN: Corrupt News Network
A self-serving agenda was set for the Republican presidential debates.

Tim Rutten
Regarding Media

December 1, 2007

THE United States is at war in the Middle East and Central Asia, the economy is writhing like a snake with a broken back, oil prices are relentlessly climbing toward $100 a barrel and an increasing number of Americans just can't afford to be sick with anything that won't be treated with aspirin and bed rest.

So, when CNN brought the Republican presidential candidates together this week for what is loosely termed a "debate," what did the country get but a discussion of immigration, Biblical inerrancy and the propriety of flying the Confederate flag?

In fact, this most recent debacle masquerading as a presidential debate raises serious questions about whether CNN is ethically or professionally suitable to play the political role the Democratic and Republican parties recently have conceded it.

Selecting a president is, more than ever, a life and death business, and a news organization that consciously injects itself into the process, as CNN did by hosting Wednesday's debate, incurs a special responsibility to conduct itself in a dispassionate and, most of all, disinterested fashion. When one considers CNN's performance, however, the adjectives that leap to mind are corrupt and incompetent.

Corruption is a strong word. But consider these facts: The gimmick behind Wednesday's debate was that the questions would be selected from those that ordinary Americans submitted to the video sharing Internet website YouTube, which is owned by Google. According to CNN, its staff culled through 5,000 submissions to select the handful that were put to the candidates. That process essentially puts the lie to the vox populi aura the association with YouTube was meant to create. When producers exercise that level of selectivity, the questions -- whoever initially formulated and recorded them -- actually are theirs.

That's where things begin to get troubling, because CNN chose to devote the first 35 minutes of this critical debate to a single issue -- immigration. Now, if that leaves you scratching your head, it's probably because you're included in the 96% of Americans who do not think immigration is the most important issue confronting this country. We've got a pretty good fix concerning what's on the American mind right now, because the nonpartisan and highly reliable Pew Center has been regularly polling people since January on the issues that matter most to them. In fact, the center's most recent survey was conducted in the days leading up to Wednesday's debate.

HERE'S what Pew found: By an overwhelming margin, Americans think the war in Iraq is the most important issue facing the United States, followed by the economy, healthcare and energy prices. In fact, if you lump the war into a category with terrorism and other foreign policy issues, 40% of Americans say foreign affairs are their biggest concern in this election cycle. If you do something similar with all issues related to the economy, 31% list those questions as their most worrisome issue. As anybody who has looked at their 401(k) or visited a gas pump would expect, that aggregate figure has increased dramatically since Pew started polling in January. Back then, for example, concerns over the war outpaced economic anxieties by fully 8 to 1. By contrast, just 6% of the survey's national sample said that immigration was the most important electoral issue. Moreover, that number hasn't changed in a statistically meaningful way since the first of the year. In other words, more than nine out of 10 Americans think something matters more than immigration in this presidential election.

So, why did CNN make immigration the keystone of this debate? What standard dictated the decision to give that much time to an issue so remote from the majority of voters' concerns? The answer is that CNN's most popular news-oriented personality, Lou Dobbs, has made opposition to illegal immigration and free trade the centerpiece of his neonativist/neopopulist platform. In fact, Dobbs led into Wednesday's debate with a good solid dose of immigrant bashing. His network is in a desperate ratings battle with Fox News and, in a critical prime-time slot, with MSNBC's Keith Olbermann. So, what's good for Dobbs is good for CNN.

In other words, CNN intentionally directed the Republicans' debate to advance its own interests. Make immigration a bigger issue and you've made a bigger audience for Dobbs.

That's corruption, and it's why the Republican candidates had to spend more than half an hour "debating" an issue on which their differences are essentially marginal -- and, more important, why GOP voters had to sit and wait, mostly in vain, for the issues that really concern them to be discussed. That's particularly true because that same Pew poll reported findings of particular relevance to Republican voters, the vast majority of whom continue to support the war in Iraq.

According to this most recent poll, a substantial number of Americans believe the surge is working. As Pew summarized their findings, "While Iraq remains a deeply polarizing issue across party lines, there has been improvement in how both Democrats and Republicans view the war. At the lowest point in February, barely half of Republicans (51%) said things were going well. Today, 74% of Republicans say the same. And while Democrats remain far more skeptical than Republicans, the proportion of Democrats expressing a positive view of the Iraq effort has doubled since February (from 16% to 33%).

"Independents' assessments of how the military effort is going remain far closer to the views of Democrats than of Republicans. Currently, 41% of independents offer a positive assessment, while half say things are not going well. In February, 26% of independents expressed a positive view of the situation in Iraq."

Those are significant swings of opinion, yet the poll also found that more than half of Americans still favor withdrawing American troops. That disconnect is a real issue for the GOP candidates, all but one of whom support the war. Unless we're going to believe that the self-selecting YouTube questioners were utterly different from the rest of American voters, it seems pretty clear that CNN ignored these complex -- and highly relevant concerns -- for an issue that served its ratings interests -- immigration -- or ones that made for moments of conventional television conflict, like gun control, which doesn't even show up in surveys of voters' concerns.

THIS is intellectual venality, but it pales beside the wickedness of using some crackpot's query about the candidates' stand on Biblical inerrancy to do something that's anathema in our system -- to probe people's individual religious consciences. American journalists quite legitimately ask candidates about policy issues -- say, abortion -- that might be influenced by their religious or philosophical convictions. We do not and should not ask them about those convictions themselves. It's nobody's business whether a candidate believes in the virgin birth, whether God gave an oral Torah to Moses at Sinai, whether the Buddha escaped the round of birth and rebirth or whether an angel appeared to Joseph Smith.

The latter point is relevant because CNN's noxious laundering of this question through the goofy YouTube mechanism quite clearly was designed to embarrass Mitt Romney -- who happens to be a Mormon -- and, secondarily, to help Mike Huckabee -- who, as a Baptist minister, had a ready answer, and who happens to be television's campaign flavor of the month.

Beside considerations like these, CNN's incompetent failure to weed out Democratically connected questioners pales.

In any event, CNN has failed in its responsibilities to the political process and it's time for the leaders of both the Republican and Democratic parties to take the network out of our electoral affairs.

timothy.rutten@latimes.com

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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2007, 05:19:32 PM »
All of your MSM are profit-making corporations, so it's only natural that they have their own agendas.  They're not stupid.  Their first interest is the bottom line.

That's why Canada has the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) which is a Canadian Government ("Crown") corporation. It's accountable to Parliament for the quality of its broadcasts.

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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2007, 05:26:41 PM »
>>Their first interest is the bottom line.<<

Not anymore. It's clear that the drive-by media has taken sides in this election. They've always been biased, but now they've taken to out and out partisanship. The result is they're losing viewers, and that's were the bottom line will come in to play. Liberal TV, land iberal newspapers are all losing viewers and subscribers bigtime. That's why I have confidence Republicans can win in 2008. Between the traitorous actions of democrats in Congress, and the traitorous actions of the liberal media, they are hurting their own cause. The Clintons are busy reminding people how corrupt and disingenuous they are, and America will reject the anti-American left in November.

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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2007, 09:08:16 PM »
All of your MSM are profit-making corporations, so it's only natural that they have their own agendas.  They're not stupid.  Their first interest is the bottom line.

That's why Canada has the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) which is a Canadian Government ("Crown") corporation. It's accountable to Parliament for the quality of its broadcasts.


Americans tend to remain stalwart to their indoctrinations, while the rest of the world is aghast (or exuberant) at the decay of America.  They know what Americans do not know--that the bottom line, now grown into a rapacious, berzerker beast, has killed America. 

Americans think the proper response to the world's criticism is the feral baying at the moon in a single note--patriotism.  Their patriotism is made more of reflexsive, bad boy emotionalism than it is of one gained after true and deliberate reflection.

In fact, I doubt most Americans who bray such partriotism are truly aware that the country they so passionately defend is being melted down for its precious metals.

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2007, 09:13:33 PM »
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That's why Canada has the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) which is a Canadian Government ("Crown") corporation. It's accountable to Parliament for the quality of its broadcasts.

I did not know PBS has closed shop.


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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2007, 10:15:11 PM »
All of your MSM are profit-making corporations, so it's only natural that they have their own agendas.  They're not stupid.  Their first interest is the bottom line.

That's why Canada has the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) which is a Canadian Government ("Crown") corporation. It's accountable to Parliament for the quality of its broadcasts.

And as liberal as any betwork I have ever seen. Are you honestly trying to portray it as political spectrum neutral?
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2007, 06:57:47 AM »
And as liberal as any network I have ever seen. Are you honestly trying to portray it as political spectrum neutral?
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PBS offers differing opinions, unlike Fox. Actually Fox has some liberal viewpoints, but only on entertasinment shows, like "house', 'Bones' and 'The Simpsons'.

To you, any network would seem "liberal". Keep in mind that you pretty much consider as bogus scientific discoveries made after 1850.
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2007, 08:56:19 AM »
And as liberal as any network I have ever seen. Are you honestly trying to portray it as political spectrum neutral?
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PBS offers differing opinions, unlike Fox. Actually Fox has some liberal viewpoints, but only on entertasinment shows, like "house', 'Bones' and 'The Simpsons'.

To you, any network would seem "liberal". Keep in mind that you pretty much consider as bogus scientific discoveries made after 1850.


Is it possible that to you all networks seem "conservative " because so few are left of you?

Fox has some professional liberals on staff  like Greta VanSustern  Alan Combes, also even their most conservative talking heads are eager to invite guests that disagree with them.

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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2007, 12:46:06 PM »
<<Is it possible that to you all networks seem "conservative " because so few are left of you?>>

That's a chicken-and-egg argument if I ever heard one.  Even assuming your premise (which in fact I don't) that there are few liberals left, is it possible that there are so few liberals left because of right-wing brainwashing and control of access to the MSM?

<<Fox has some professional liberals on staff  like Greta VanSustern  Alan Combes, also even their most conservative talking heads are eager to invite guests that disagree with them.>>

I've never seen Alan Combes and know nothing about him.  Greta I've seen, and if she's a liberal (which I've so far seen no evidence of) she's a very circumspect and restrained liberal, commenting mostly in legal matters and in areas such as rights of the accused, where even so-called "conservative" legal commentators would have very similar concerns.  As for invited liberal guests, the few I've seen are shamelessly manipulated, interrupted and shouted down when they can actually stand up for their beliefs.  I've rarely if ever seen liberal heavyweights as Fox guests, usually they pick unknown wimps who are unprepared or lack the balls for the confrontation.  As far as I'm aware, Bill O'Reilly, for example, has never dared to debate Noam Chomsky or Ralph Nader, though if he has, I'm sure he used all his advantages as host to shout down, interrupt or cut off.  I"m guessing that he's never had either of them on, and never will.

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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2007, 01:01:34 PM »
<<Not anymore. [The MSM are no longer devoted first of all to the bottom line.]  It's clear that the drive-by media has taken sides in this election. They've always been biased, but now they've taken to out and out partisanship. The result is they're losing viewers, and that's were the bottom line will come in to play. Liberal TV, land iberal newspapers are all losing viewers and subscribers bigtime.>>

I think the loss of viewers and subscribers is related first to the growth of the internet and second to a loss of credibility.  And I think the loss of credibility relates more to the MSM's failure to challenge the Bush administration on the "need" to invade Iraq than on their accurate depiction of how the war was being lost.  At the most recent end of the curve, they may have lost additional credibility by failing to recognize the up-tick in the military aspect of the war, but by then most of the damage to their credibility had already been incurred, and I would suggest that most of that loss was due to their failure to challenge the right wing, not to their so-called "traitorous" depiction of a losing war.

Also the deliberate skewing of CNN coverage to Lou Dobbs' issues is just another effort to protect the bottom line.  They figured on an appeal to basic Amerikkkan instincts (racism and fascism) by hyping the immigration "menace" and appearing as saviours to the huge mass of Amerikkkan racists and fascists as their only protector against the "threat" of Mexicans.  Thereby restoring viewership share.  In a  word, they resorted to demagoguery.  There is no underlying political motivation here, because corporate interests ARE bottom-line interests.  In case you haven't noticed, they still run their "heroes" tributes, where they do a little video tribute to some "ordinary" GI and his family, the "unsung heroes" of the "war on terrorism," who are making "huge sacrifices" to "defend Amerikkka's freedoms."  I really don't know why you are calling this network traitorous or un-Amerikkkan, they are doing as much to promote their war as Goebbels ever did to promote his.

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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2007, 01:10:30 PM »
And as liberal as any network I have ever seen. Are you honestly trying to portray it as political spectrum neutral?
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PBS offers differing opinions, unlike Fox. Actually Fox has some liberal viewpoints, but only on entertasinment shows, like "house', 'Bones' and 'The Simpsons'.

To you, any network would seem "liberal". Keep in mind that you pretty much consider as bogus scientific discoveries made after 1850.

Well, being a computer scientist with a Ph.D, I doubt if your last statement has much merit.
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2007, 01:12:48 PM »
>>PBS offers differing opinions, unlike Fox.<<

I'm always amused by the far lefts reaction to the Fox News Network. Fox is now the most most watched cable news network, and is even beginning to garner more viewers than even some of the elite media on the networks. The reason leftists say things like, Fox doesn't offer liberal opinion, is because they are so shocked to actually hear Conservative opinions coming out of their idiot box that they are to shocked to notice anything else.

Those of us not suffering from BDS know that Fox goes out of it's way to represent the leftist point of view. The majority of cable watchers obviously appreciate balance rather than rigged political debates and leaked national secrets.

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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2007, 01:26:44 PM »
<<And as liberal as any betwork I have ever seen. Are you honestly trying to portray it [CBC] as political spectrum neutral?>>

Yes I am.  It has to defend itself in Parliament against charges of bias.  It's given in sometimes to political pressure and either pulled programs or run them with an addendum giving the "other side."

Actually if you have any complaint about its alleged partisanship, I believe the place to go is CRTC (Canadian Radio and TV Commission) and they will have to respond.

I just watched today's Sunday morning news roundup show with Evan Solomon and Carol Something - - they were scrupulous in presenting both sides of every issue.  They interviewed Jimmy Carter on the 25th anniversary of his foundation, and when he gave his side of an issue, they gave the other side and asked for his comments.  I guess, leaving him with the last word, but it was still a reasonably fair interview.  IMHO.

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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2007, 02:27:27 PM »
and religious programming?

I know, PBS does some but Christian broadcasts are rare...Oh, it is perfectly fine to broadcast about how great Buddhaism is, etc. but not Christiantiy.
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2007, 02:37:35 PM »
Well, being a computer scientist with a Ph.D, I doubt if your last statement has much merit.
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It has merit because you have claimed that you are a fundamentalist and reject the concept of evloution. You also seem to believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, and of course it describes any number of things that are counter to the laws of physics, especially in every fundie's favorite biblical book, Revelation.

Computer science is a mathematical discipline, and does not include biology or physics, the sciences to which I was referring. Anyone can get a PhD in computer science without being a true scientist.
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