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[Michael Tee]

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/nyt-report.html

plane seemed a little quizzical about the true levels of slaughter of civilians in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, so I thought it might be beneficial, in view of the lies and race-hatred being spilled out in this forum (certainly not by plane, I hasten to add!) to take a look at some basic truths, the ones the Zio-Nazis are trying so hard to keep from the American people.

It's really a shame that the American people aren't aware of this realistic but disturbing image of their tax dollars at work.  The MSM do an excellent job of hiding it, as do "their" politicians on "both sides" of the aisle, thanks to AIPAC and many, many other multi-billion dollar lobbyists for the Zio-Nazi cause.  For those who are sincerely interested in the real answer to your "President's" phony question, "Why do they hate us?" here is a much better answer than the ludicrous "They hate us for our freedoms," as if some Arab in the streets of Cairo or Baghdad gives a shit that you are holding an Iowa primary.

The real cost to the American people, in blood and treasure, of their unconditional support of the Zionist oppression of the Palestinian people and their racial/ethnic cleansing of the West Bank, is absolutely staggering, as are the huge efforts being made as we speak to keep those costs from the eyes of the public.

[Richpo64]

For those of you who don't belong to Hamas, you should know that these terrorists are liars. They lie about those who die, and they lie about who killed them. They even kill children of their own in an attempt to paint Israel as murderers of children when it is they who not only kill their own children, but put them in harms way as human shields.

Only twisted monsters do such things. Only twisted monsters believe them.

http://masada2000.org/al-dura.html

[Michael Tee]

In a somewhat predictable response to the published facts of who kills the most civilians (by a landslide!) in the Arab-Israeli conflict, the lying, duplicitous agents of Zio-Nazi aggression have been driven to desperation.  "It's a lie!" they shriek.  "Terrorists are liars!!"

Well, we've seen how the Zio-Nazis lie, distort the truth, and attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people with half-truths and distortions.  Let's see who "these terrorists" are, that Rich is calling liars.  The stats that I posted on the horrific Israeli slaughter of Palestinian women and children are cold, hard FACTS which, to say the least, are extremely inconvenient to Rich and the Zionist murderers he and Zio-Nazis like him are attempting to shield.  Who compiles these facts?  What "terrorist" "liar" makes this shit up?

Well, the facts on the Israeli murder machine were published by If America Knew, an organization of AMERICANS determined to fight off the stranglehold that Israeli has locked on the U.S. legislature through the unstinting "generosity" of AIPAC and other lavishly funded billion-dollar "think tanks" and lobbying organizations dedicated to one goal and one goal only - - the continuing existence of Israel and its relentless expansion over Arab lands and bodies throughout the Middle East.  At whatever cost to America and Americans, who apparently can be endlessly suckered into these projects with the help of the "bipartisan" legislators who AIPAC and the other lavishly-funded organs of the Zionist state have bought off into submission.

Who are the "terrorists" and "liars" that make up If America Knew, the "twisted monsters" that publish the facts that throw Zio-Nazi  BS artists like Rich into screaming fits of deperation?  Here is their Board of Directors:

Board members

    * James Akins
    * Eugene K. Bird
    * Francis Boyle
    * Paul Findley
    * Andrew Killgore
    * Pete McCloskey
    * Donald Neff
    * Edward Peck
    * Alison Weir

You can Google any and all of them, or go straight to the Wikipedia article on If America Knew and link directly from their names.  Not a "twisted monster" in the bunch.  Not a "terrorist," not a "liar."  Just straightforward pissed-off honest Americans mad as hell at the hijacking of their country's foreign policy by a bunch of very "special" special interests.

[Richpo64]

Isn't amazing how Mike takes the word of people who sacrifice their own women and children to further their vicious bloodlust over a group of people who simply want to live in peace? It's truly amazing. Given these people claim to do these monstrous things in the name of their perverted concept of god, you would think a communist like Mike would instantly be against them. But no.

People often wonder why seemingly thoughtful people gravitate to and support such blood thirsty killers. I've read some explanations which center on the liberal/socialist tendency to gravitate to the "Palestinian" cause because they have this twisted affinity toward minorities. They see the Israeli/"Palestinian conflict in these terms; the "Palestin as are an oppressed minority and Israel is the big bad majority. It doesn't matter to them that the minority is a brutal theocracy bent on committing total genocide of the Israeli people, they are locked onto the "oppressed minority" template and simply cannot see past it. Nothing the majority does is justified to these people because simply being the majority makes them wrong.

This is why people like Mike believe more Alsatians have been killed than Israelis, and all the Palestinans (the minority) are innocent littel cherubs who were simply victims of Israel's (the majority) brutal war of oppression. The reality is that these Palestinians are monsters who will committ the most vicious acts of barberism to worship their "god" and will say anything to fool people like Mike into continuing to hold onto his template.

[Plane]

Given that in 2004 22 times more Palestinian children were killed than Israeli children, this category holds particular importance. We could find no basis on which to justify this inequality in coverage.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/nyt-report.html



I am not surprised , and I could help this group understand part of the reson.

It is easyer to get around in Isreal than in Palistine , many more Isrelis speak English , German , French , Italian , than Palestinians do, and most of all the Palestinians can't make a reporter comfortable and safe .

The Isreali government knows the value of these reports and does what it can to insure that no positive pertanant fact gets overlooked reporters get frount row seats and VIP treatment if they are anything like freindly .

Palistinians seem to treat reporters with a lot of suspicion , I would If I were amoung them , it would be pretty easy for a Mossad Agent to imitate an American or Italian reporter and it woudl be fatal to give such a person a guided tour of resistance headquarters, but this suspicion is not only protective of Palestinian secrets , it is also protective of Isreali monopoly on reporters eyes.

[Richpo64]

>>...and most of all the Palestinians can't make a reporter comfortable and safe .<<

Actually the fact is that unless you have a Palestinian guide to take you to were the fighting is, you don't get there. There are many sources on this and I've read several books by journalists who have been there who will tell you this. Since most of the American media is leftist and is guided by the template of Israeli oppression they don't want to hear what the Israelis have to say. They believe the Israeli Government is lying simply because it is the government. Just like they do here. So in order to get their story, they go with the terrorists. Once they're with the terrorists they can't be critical or they could lose access, or even their lives. There are plenty of reported incidents where reporters have been locked up by Palestinians and beaten for writing critical stories. So this leads to twisted stories that are nothing more that Palestinian propaganda. Remember CNN in Iraq? CNN admitted to squashing stories to gain access and secure their lives. It's the same in Israel.

[Plane]

This is why people like Mike believe more Alsatians have been killed than Israelis, and all the Palestinans (the minority) are innocent littel cherubs who were simply victims of Israel's (the majority) brutal war of oppression. The reality is that these Palestinians are monsters who will committ the most vicious acts of barberism to worship their "god" and will say anything to fool people like Mike into continuing to hold onto his template.

I don't doubt that the Indefadath has scored worse for the Palestinians than for the Isrelis.

The Palistinians are poorer and not as well armed , this would seem like good reasons to expect greater casualtys on the Palestinian side every time there is any sort of conflict between them.

Children get caught in the crossfire any way and there is no way the Isrelis can fight the Palestinians fighters on a feild far from their children , this kind of oppurtunity is not given.

The children of the stronger side are sometimes the only thing that the weaker side can reach .

In this situation I have to call the Palestins who like the idea of Indefadath foolish , they are not winning it .

ON the contrary they are finding the Indefaddath is an excuse for the Isrelis to fense them in with walls that resemble the one that once ringed West Berlin , on the plus side this wall is reduceing the number of children killed on both sides , on the negative side it makes the Holy land resemble Alkatraz.

[Plane]

>>...and most of all the Palestinians can't make a reporter comfortable and safe .<<

Actually the fact is that unless you have a Palestinian guide to take you to were the fighting is, you don't get there. There are many sources on this and I've read several books by journalists who have been there who will tell you this. Since most of the American media is leftist and is guided by the template of Israeli oppression they don't want to hear what the Israelis have to say. They believe the Israeli Government is lying simply because it is the government. Just like they do here. So in order to get their story, they go with the terrorists. Once they're with the terrorists they can't be critical or they could lose access, or even their lives. There are plenty of reported incidents where reporters have been locked up by Palestinians and beaten for writing critical stories. So this leads to twisted stories that are nothing more that Palestinian propaganda. Remember CNN in Iraq? CNN admitted to squashing stories to gain access and secure their lives. It's the same in Israel.

Those are good points.
Isreal can expell a reporter that is too irritateing also.

We should be aware of these distortions and understand that our understanding of the situation suffers from these attempts to manipulate our understanding.

Each of us has to read criticly and apply correction factors to make up for what we know is skewed reporting.

This is one of the resons that we can't take these problems as our own , we haven't the means to see them clearly.

Thinking about this makes me want to pray for them , it isn't wrong to pray that your enemy become wise , his improved wisdom might make him easyer to deal with.

[Michael Tee]

<<Isn't amazing how Mike takes the word of people who sacrifice their own women and children to further their vicious bloodlust . . . >>

Holy shit!  So   * James Akins  * Eugene K. Bird * Francis Boyle     * Paul Findley  * Andrew Killgore  * Pete McCloskey   * Donald Neff
* Edward Peck and    * Alison Weir  sacrificed their own women and children to further their vicious bloodlust.  I never suspected.  How many "women and children" did that bitch Alison Weir have to sacrifice anyway?  Did she keep any for herself?

Rich, you're getting crazier by the minute.  If America Knew is actually a lot more reputable than any of the Zio-Nazi sites you love to quote from, and quite credible.  But hey, it's a free country.  You don't HAVE to believe them.  And I know you never will.  Your problem is that you have to convince American people who DON'T have an axe to grind in the Middle East not to believe them.  And that's a struggle you're losing ground in every day.
 
<< . . . over a group of people who simply want to live in peace?>>

Yeah on land occupied by others who were there before them and don't like to see their homes and orchards bulldozed to make room for them.

<< It's truly amazing. Given these people claim to do these monstrous things in the name of their perverted concept of god, you would think a communist like Mike would instantly be against them. But no.>>

Why?  People who believe in God aren't wrong about everything.  These particular believers have a pretty good idea who forced them off their land and into refugee camps, who shelled their homes and killed their children and whose army is pushing them around on their own land at roadside checkpoints.  Believing in God didn't turn them into total idiots.

<<People often wonder why seemingly thoughtful people gravitate to and support such blood thirsty killers. I've read some explanations which center on the liberal/socialist tendency to gravitate to the "Palestinian" cause because they have this twisted affinity toward minorities. They see the Israeli/"Palestinian conflict in these terms; the "Palestin as are an oppressed minority and Israel is the big bad majority. It doesn't matter to them that the minority is a brutal theocracy bent on committing total genocide of the Israeli people, they are locked onto the "oppressed minority" template and simply cannot see past it. Nothing the majority does is justified to these people because simply being the majority makes them wrong.>>

Gee, Rich, thanks for explaining why I sympathize with the Palestinians.  I always thought it was because the Jews are usurpers who pushed them off their land, are settling it as fast as they can, killed their women and children, destroyed their property and their livelihoods, refused to grant them basic human rights, walled them off like animals in a pen and legalized torture and murder as legitimate tools against any resistance they might put up.  But your reasons are much better.  I guess.

<<This is why people like Mike believe more Alsatians [??] have been killed than Israelis, and all the Palestinans (the minority) are innocent littel cherubs who were simply victims of Israel's (the majority) brutal war of oppression. >>

Little reality check here would be in order.  Who's occupying the West Bank and who's living under the gun?  Whose women and children are being killed in far greater numbers and whose in far lesser numbers?

<<The reality is that these Palestinians are monsters who will committ the most vicious acts of barberism to worship their "god" and will say anything to fool people like Mike into continuing to hold onto his template.>>

The reality is that YOU are a fucking racist pig who like Hitler before you can demonize an entire people to serve your dreams of conquest and domination AND the Palestinians are people like anyone else - - people that have been pushed beyond the brink by intolerable and unconscionable Jewish rapacity and inhumanity and have reacted with rage and desperation instead of rolling over and letting the bad guys win.

[Richpo64]

>> ... the Isrelis to fense them in with walls that resemble the one that once ringed West Berlin.<<

The Israelis aren't fencing anyone in. They are protecting their children by fencing the monsters out. The comparison to the Berlin wall is completely invalid, and frankly I find it obscene.

[Richpo64]

>>The reality is that YOU are a fucking racist pig who like Hitler ... <<

*yawn

Mike is one of those people who are robotic lemmings marching in lockstep with a group of people who actually admire Hitler and seek to finish what he started.

[Michael Tee]

<<The Israelis aren't fencing anyone in. They are protecting their children by fencing the monsters out. The comparison to the Berlin wall is completely invalid, and frankly I find it obscene.>>

The comparison to the Berlin Wall is nonsense.  Most people think of the Warsaw Ghetto Wall.

<<Mike is one of those people . . .  who actually admire Hitler and seek to finish what he started.>>

If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, it's pretty easy to see who actually admires Hitler in this conflict.  The methods the Jews are adopting (torture, extra-judicial execution, ghetto walls, communal punishment, etc.) are straight from the Hitler playbook, as is the open contempt for the UN.

[Richpo64]

When you see someone comparing Jews to Nazis during the holocaust you know they're delusional.

[Michael Tee]

<<When you see someone comparing Jews to Nazis during the holocaust you know they're delusional.>>

When you see someone with no credible answer to valid accusations (torture, extrajudicial murder, land-grabbing, ghetto walling, etc.) you know he's gonna reach for the word "delusional" as the only answer.  The desperation is palpable.

[Richpo64]

<chuckle>

Hold on tight to your delusions Mike. They're all you've got.