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The truth about the "Gospel"
« on: December 04, 2007, 05:54:27 PM »
from an article in The New York Times, by April D. DeConick, a professor of Biblical studies at Rice University:

      Amid much publicity last year, the National Geographic Society announced that a lost 3rd-century religious text had been found, the Gospel of Judas Iscariot. The shocker: Judas didn't betray Jesus. Instead, Jesus asked Judas, his most trusted and beloved disciple, to hand him over to be killed. Judas's reward? Ascent to heaven and exaltation above the other disciples.

It was a great story. Unfortunately, after re-translating the society's transcription of the Coptic text, I have found that the actual meaning is vastly different. While National Geographic's translation supported the provocative interpretation of Judas as a hero, a more careful reading makes clear that Judas is not only no hero, he is a demon.
      

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      So what does the Gospel of Judas really say? It says that Judas is a specific demon called the "Thirteenth." In certain Gnostic traditions, this is the given name of the king of demons ? an entity known as Ialdabaoth who lives in the 13th realm above the earth. Judas is his human alter ego, his undercover agent in the world. These Gnostics equated Ialdabaoth with the Hebrew Yahweh, whom they saw as a jealous and wrathful deity and an opponent of the supreme God whom Jesus came to earth to reveal.

Whoever wrote the Gospel of Judas was a harsh critic of mainstream Christianity and its rituals. Because Judas is a demon working for Ialdabaoth, the author believed, when Judas sacrifices Jesus he does so to the demons, not to the supreme God. This mocks mainstream Christians' belief in the atoning value of Jesus' death and in the effectiveness of the Eucharist.
      

Whole article at the other end of this link.
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Re: The truth about the "Gospel"
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2007, 06:03:18 PM »
The real truth about the Gospels: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06655b.htm

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Re: The truth about the "Gospel"
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2007, 11:19:25 PM »
Interesting article, thanks, Prince.
I hadn't heard about this one...wasn't it a year or so ago that there was a new Gospel of Thomas that was found?
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Re: The truth about the "Gospel"
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2007, 11:31:25 PM »



Finding them is no where near as lucrative as would be forcing the release of those already extant.


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Re: The truth about the "Gospel"
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2007, 02:43:49 PM »

The Eleven Commandments, written by two journalists for the Avvenire bishops' daily paper, is dedicated to exposing the "equivocations and lies" contained in the Bible and traditional Christian teaching.

Based on their study of original sacred texts, Elisabetta Broli and Roberto Beretta's book carries a preface by Gianfranco Ravasi, a member of the Vatican's cultural committee, congratulating the writers "who, like hounds, have gone in search of these pseudo-biblical truffles, as malodorous as they are delicious".

Some of the myths exploded in the new book are likely to cause shock for some churchgoers, however.

Among them, it reveals that Jesus Christ was born neither on December 25 nor in a manger with an ox and an ass for warmth. Furthermore, he was short and - according to modern aesthetics - not very nice to look at.

Jesus lived into his forties, around 10 years longer than the Bible suggests, and his father Joseph is more likely to have been an affluent and well-respected architect than a humble carpenter.

The 10 commandments were neither dictated to Moses by God, the book says, nor were they ever engraved on stone tablets.

Joshua could not have brought down the walls of Jericho with his light trumpet batallion, since archeologists have shown that the town was already a ruin by the time he was born.

Jonas was never swallowed by a whale, the Israelites never crossed the Red Sea, David did not kill Goliath, Saint Peter was not crucified upside-down, Saint Paul did not fall off his horse on the way to Damascus and, if Eve ate a fruit in the Garden of Eden, it was an orange or a fig, not an apple. - Sapa-AFP
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Re: The truth about the "Gospel"
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2007, 03:09:19 PM »
Typical of you, XO. We'll all find out when our time is Come, won't we?
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Re: The truth about the "Gospel"
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2007, 03:26:22 PM »
Typical of you, XO. We'll all find out when our time is Come, won't we?

When my time is come, I'm going to hang with Janis Joplin, Pearl Bailey,  Richard Pryor,  Gilda Radner, my mom (who loved Richard Pryor dearly) and dad and so on.
I am going to make music and dance!  I am not going to make sure every jot and tittle of the Bible was just SO.  That would be Hell.   
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Re: The truth about the "Gospel"
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2007, 03:30:43 PM »

Among them, it reveals that Jesus Christ was born neither on December 25 nor in a manger with an ox and an ass for warmth. Furthermore, he was short and - according to modern aesthetics - not very nice to look at.


I would be very interested to know from what "original sacred texts" they got their information about Jesus' appearance. Last I heard, there were not any descriptions of Jesus' height or facial characteristics anywhere. My first impression here is that these folks studied "original sacred texts" the way Dan Brown's The DaVinci Code is based on facts. Which is to say, not in any sense that reflects reality.
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Re: The truth about the "Gospel"
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2007, 01:23:59 PM »
One important bit that is totally missing from the Bible was the Shimon Bar Kochba rebellion in 70 AD, about 25-30 years after the Crucifixion. The Jews rallied and actually defeated the Romans and threw than out of Judea. Then they returned, of course, under Vespasian, who totally defeated them, erased Jerusalem (except for the Western Wall of the Temple) from the map, and killed off the last bellicose Jews at Masada. 

It was only after this that Paul, Peter and other disciples began to attain success at converting people, first Jews, them Gentiles, to Christianity.

What the Jews wanted at the time of Christ (and I am guessing lots of other subjugated peoples) was to militarily defeat the Romans and to return to political self rule. When it becaame obvious that Rome was far to strong for this to happen, then a spiritual rebellion became desireable.

Vespasian, mostly because of his success at trouncing the Jews, later became Emperor.

There is not one word about Bar Kochba anywhere in the Bible. But he came closer to becoming the military Messiah that at least a large number of people longed for.
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