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Happy people tending to vote GOP?
« on: December 06, 2007, 04:43:29 AM »
Are Republicans happier than Democrats?

December 6, 2007

I caught a cab during the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York. The driver immediately began teeing off on Republicans. The cabbie said that his father told him, "Republicans care about General Electric, and Democrats care about you and me."

I just watched a documentary on the 2004 election. A young man described why he became a Democrat. As a child he asked his dad whether he should support the Republican or the Democratic Party. His dad said something like, "Do you intend to become rich?" The son said he hoped to. His dad then suggested that he join the Republican Party since it was for the rich and not for "everybody else."

This raises an interesting question. Does this us-versus-them, good-guy-versus-bad-guy position (as the GOP only cares about "the rich") affect one's happiness or mental health? A couple of recent polls may perhaps shed some light on these questions.

An Investor's Business Daily/TIPP poll recently asked Democrats, Republicans and Independents to define "rich." Does "rich" mean material possessions, or does "rich" mean something like happiness/health/satisfaction?

Democrats at 41.5 percent, versus Republicans at 28.2 percent, more often defined "rich" as either possessing lots of money, material goods or power. Sample "materialistic" responses included things like, "Rich means:" 1. "If you have an income in excess of $500,000 a year," 2. "Someone who has $1 million in the bank," 3. "To have substantially more money than you can spend," and 4. "Being able to afford anything you want and buy your way out of trouble."

When specifically asked whether rich means having family, friends and good relationships, Republicans, more so than Democrats, defined the term this way. Sixteen percent of Republicans defined "rich" in this way versus 9.7 percent of Democrats. Sample "non-materialistic" responses included things like: 1. "I am rich because I have a roof over my head and a good family and I am emotionally and morally stable." 2. "Someone who has many friends that you care about and that care about you." 3. "I am rich because my children and grandchildren live close to me and I live where I want to ? this is rich to me."

Did Republicans answer the "rich" question in a non-materialistic way because they have more money than Democrats?

A new Gallup Poll recently asked Democrats and Republicans to describe their own "mental health." Fifty-eight percent of Republicans describe their mental health as "excellent," compared to 38 percent of Democrats. But what about the role of money?

Gallup's Frank Newport writes, "[A]n analysis of the relationship between party identification and self-reported excellent mental health within various categories of age, gender, church attendance, income, education and other variables shows that the basic pattern persists regardless of these characteristics. ... In almost all cases, Republicans are more likely to report excellent mental health across the various categories."

Association and causation are two different things. In other words, does being a Republican make someone define "rich" in a non-material sense or report better mental health? Or do people who feel this way choose the Republican Party?

Republicans consider themselves, to a far greater degree than Democrats, in charge of their own destiny. Republicans, more so than Democrats, believe hard work wins. Republicans, more so than Democrats, believe that effort and persistence pay off. Democrats, more so than Republicans, consider the playing field uneven or unfair. And Democrats, more so than Republicans, believe that forces exist that conspire against them, hold them back or hold them down.

Ever heard of EQ ? Emotional Quotient?

A large life insurance company used intelligence tests to determine which job applicants to hire. Still, many hirees failed. So the company turned to University of Pennsylvania professor Martin Seligman, who studied the relationship between high EQ and who succeeds in life. Seligman devised a test that allowed the insurance company to determine an applicant's emotional quotient ? or the extent to which the applicant felt that he or she controlled his or her destiny. The company theorized that high EQ salesmen, when rejected on sales calls, tend to ask themselves, "What could I do better?" or "How could I have turned that customer around?" In other words, optimism, hope and a feeling of "my actions make a difference" predict greater success in sales.

The result? Applicants scoring high on EQ out-earned those who performed poorly on the test, even when the latter group scored high on the intelligence test. Perhaps this applies to Republicans and Democrats, with Democrats ? more so than Republicans ? possessing a "victicrat" mentality.

So, what your parents and grandparents told you turned out to be true: Money does not buy happiness. What they likely did not say, however, is that happy people tend to vote Republican.


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Re: Happy people tending to vote GOP?
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 06:10:48 AM »
BWA Hahahahahahaha
Bwa Hahahahhahahaha

(Cough)Ahem

So true.

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Re: Happy people tending to vote GOP?
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2007, 06:17:12 AM »
Funny.  The writer of the article asks the same question that I was already asking as I read:

<<Did Republicans answer the "rich" question in a non-materialistic way because they have more money than Democrats?>>

But then immediately switches to the question of how members of each party describe their own mental health:

<<A new Gallup Poll recently asked Democrats and Republicans to describe their own "mental health." Fifty-eight percent of Republicans describe their mental health as "excellent," compared to 38 percent of Democrats. But what about the role of money?

<<Gallup's Frank Newport writes, "[A]n analysis of the relationship between party identification and self-reported excellent mental health within various categories of age, gender, church attendance, income, education and other variables shows that the basic pattern persists regardless of these characteristics. ... In almost all cases, Republicans are more likely to report excellent mental health across the various categories.">>

Did you catch that?  The Republicans, regardless of wealth, report themselves in "excellent mental health" far more than the Democrats do.

But what about the writer's first question:  Do the Republicans tend more to rank "wealth" by non-material standards than Democrats do because they themselves are wealthier?  THAT question, it seems, was never answered.  Instead, by clever sleight-of-hand, the writer has segued into a similar issue, do Republicans self-report better mental health because of their relative wealth, and the answer seems to be no.

All in all, an interesting poll, and I wouldn't really quarrel with the results.  Republicans believe in America and are blind to its inequities, injustices, crimes and atrocities.  Maybe not totally blind, but a lot less aware of and concerned by them than are the Democrats, who (IMHO) are much more realistic.  Who wouldn't be happier?  If one man is married to a beautiful but lying, cheating, evil, vicious bitch and lives in total ignorance of her real nature, he's going to be a lot happier than another guy married to the same kind of woman but fully aware of her defects and unable to sever the tie (i.e., proceeding from the analogy to the real world, unable to flee to another country.)

Republicans, IMHO, are in fact much happier than Democrats and conservatives are much happier than liberals for a number of possible reasons:  they are either not smart enough to know about all the wrong that Amerikkka does to others and to its own underdog citizens or they are so fucking greedy and self-absorbed that they know and they don't give a shit.  Either way it's a happiness that I don't envy in the least.

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Re: Happy people tending to vote GOP?
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2007, 09:33:51 AM »
Did you catch that?  The Republicans, regardless of wealth, report themselves in "excellent mental health" far more than the Democrats do.


That's simply due to the indisuptable fact that the majority of Americans headed to their 3rd & 4th deployments in Iraq are Democrats....and most Republicans are criminally insane.



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Re: Happy people tending to vote GOP?
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2007, 11:11:47 AM »
You sure this isn't instead a picture of my ex-wife?  :P
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Re: Happy people tending to vote GOP?
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2007, 11:49:04 AM »
You sure this isn't instead a picture of my ex-wife?  :P

Are you outing yourself? Very un-Republike , ya know.

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Re: Happy people tending to vote GOP?
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2007, 12:05:46 PM »
BWA Hahahahahahaha
Bwa Hahahahhahahaha

(Cough)Ahem

So true.

This is more true:

Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
- Ernest Hemingway, author and journalist, Nobel laureate (1899-1961)
 

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Re: Happy people tending to vote GOP?
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2007, 02:28:08 PM »
<<Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
- Ernest Hemingway, author and journalist, Nobel laureate (1899-1961)>>

Great quote.  sirs used to be very fond of "Ignorance is bliss," but I don't think we'll be hearing it from him in THIS thread.
 

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Re: Happy people tending to vote GOP?
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2007, 04:22:40 PM »
sirs used to be very fond of "Ignorance is bliss," but I don't think we'll be hearing it from him in THIS thread.
 

Only when I get to gleefully highlight in others, especially from the rabid left side of the aisle.  And to go on record, I don't find you ignorant at all, Tee.  That requires a notion of simply not knowing.  You know all to well, but broadcast your blinded hatred and bigotry regardless, and in spades
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Re: Happy people tending to vote GOP?
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2007, 06:36:08 PM »
<<Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
- Ernest Hemingway, author and journalist, Nobel laureate (1899-1961)>>

Great quote.  sirs used to be very fond of "Ignorance is bliss," but I don't think we'll be hearing it from him in THIS thread.
 
   






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Re: Happy people tending to vote GOP?
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2007, 11:12:03 PM »

But what about the writer's first question:  Do the Republicans tend more to rank "wealth" by non-material standards than Democrats do because they themselves are wealthier?


That wasn't the author's first question. Anyway, I don't know how the guy could have answered that question unless he had some statistics that break down how wealthy Republicans and Democrats are. Of the people I know who are Democrats and Republicans, I cannot say that one group is more or less wealthy than the other. Certainly most of the Republicans I know are middle class folks. So for me the answer to the question was immediately a no. Some Republicans are wealthy, yes, but then so are some Democrats. So?
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Re: Happy people tending to vote GOP?
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2007, 11:51:35 PM »

But what about the writer's first question:  Do the Republicans tend more to rank "wealth" by non-material standards than Democrats do because they themselves are wealthier?


That wasn't the author's first question. Anyway, I don't know how the guy could have answered that question unless he had some statistics that break down how wealthy Republicans and Democrats are. Of the people I know who are Democrats and Republicans, I cannot say that one group is more or less wealthy than the other. Certainly most of the Republicans I know are middle class folks. So for me the answer to the question was immediately a no. Some Republicans are wealthy, yes, but then so are some Democrats. So?


Are the poor universaly Democrats?
That would skew the curve.

Are the poor universally unhappy?
I would think not , but it might produce a noticeable effect.

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Re: Happy people tending to vote GOP?
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2007, 11:55:55 PM »
<<That wasn't the author's first question.>>

Sorry.  I should have been clearer.  What I meant was that the author asks one question, never answers it, but instead raises a second question.  I was considering only the two particular questions ("Do Republicans tend to less material definitions of wealth because they are wealthier? "and "How do members of each party tend to rank their own mental health?") and I used "first question" to describe the former question only because it came before the latter.

<< Anyway, I don't know how the guy could have answered that question unless he had some statistics that break down how wealthy Republicans and Democrats are. >>

I believe there are county-by-county stats that show the per capita wealth of the residents and also how they voted.  The reason I know this is because I recall an election study that showed that the poorest counties in the U.S. voted Republican.  This was attributed to sheer ignorance (it seemed to be a given that poor people, with less educational opportunities than their economic superiors, tended to be, on average, more ignorant than rich people.)  I believe similar studies could be done with postal codes.

<<Of the people I know who are Democrats and Republicans, I cannot say that one group is more or less wealthy than the other. Certainly most of the Republicans I know are middle class folks. So for me the answer to the question was immediately a no. Some Republicans are wealthy, yes, but then so are some Democrats. So?>>

I don't believe that this problem is best solved by anecdotal evidence based on one man's experience.   I believe that analysis of the vote correlated to postal code or county would be a good indicator, as would a cui bono analysis of Republican and Democratic legislative initiatives.

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Re: Happy people tending to vote GOP?
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2007, 02:05:14 AM »

I don't believe that this problem is best solved by anecdotal evidence based on one man's experience.


I'm not sure what problem that would be. The question probably does need more scientific means to answer it, but then I wasn't attempting to supply a definitive answer. I was explaining my own reaction to the question. I thought it odd that you focused on what seemed to me to be the least important question in the piece. Personally, I would be surprised if Republicans were significantly more wealthy on average than Democrats. But then I also have a difficult time seeing the Democratic Party as the party of the common man. Politically, the Democratic Party seems no less elitist to me than the Republican Party.
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