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MSNBC: "Hillary's campaign is teetering on the brink"
« on: December 14, 2007, 03:56:25 PM »


Huckaboom and Hillabust
The surprising falls and unexpected gains ahead of Iowa's caucuses

By Howard Fineman
MSNBC
Wed., Dec. 12, 2007

WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign is teetering on the brink, no matter what the meaningless national horserace numbers say. The notion that she has a post-Iowa "firewall" in New Hampshire is a fantasy, and she is in danger of losing all four early contests, including Nevada and South Carolina probably to Sen. Barack Obama, who is now, in momentum terms, the Democratic frontrunner.

On the Republican side, meanwhile, the race is shaping up in an even more unexpected way: a contest between two former Northern moderates (Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney) for the right to take on a Southern Baptist preacher, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who believes in the inerrancy of Scripture but not in Darwinian evolution.

This week is the last chance the candidates will gather en masse to confront each other, and in a neutral setting. They are wending their way through ice storms to Iowa, where the Des Moines Register and Iowa Public Television are hosting back-to-back debates.

Here's where things stand for the major candidates with the most to gain and lose in the debates, in Iowa, and in the early going. Take a good look at the rest of the field. They won't be around for long.

SEN. BARACK OBAMA

National polls still give Hillary a double-digit lead. Those polls mean nothing. What matters now is not the number but the direction, and Obama is movin? on up at a rapid pace. Little pieces of evidence matter. In Manchester, N.H., the other day, Democratic Gov. John Lynch showed up at the Obama-Oprah rally, ostensibly to introduce Oprah, but, really to cover his bets politically. The newest polls in the state show why: Obama is tied with Hillary, and people are literally exchanging her lawn signs for his. If he can win Iowa and it remains a big "if" Hillary's campaign could collapse. New Hampshire would almost surely go his way. The Culinary Workers in Nevada might well endorse him, as could influential South Carolina Democratic Rep. Jim Clyburn. Black Democrats have complained for years that Iowa and New Hampshire are "too white." But the irony is, South Carolina African-Americans I talked to last weekend want to see if Obama can win white votes before they commit to him. There is no better way of doing that than in Iowa and New Hampshire. And don't forget something else: he has 150,000 online contributors. He can raise cash fast.

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON

If she is going to argue that Obama is unelectable in the fall  if she is going to argue that the Democrats cannot afford to take the risk on a Southside Chicago street organizer ? she had better get to it in the debate this week. But it is a tricky proposition.  In a way, Hillary is trapped by her own do-it-yourself feminist ethos. She should have surrogates out there pounding away at Obama. I haven?t seen them. And her husband, evidently, won?t do it. Why should Bill Clinton tarnish his image as ?America?s first black president? by attacking the man who might be the real deal? His circle is beginning to complain, loudly, about how Hillary is running her campaign. That kind of circular firing squad chatter is the first sign of a campaign headed into oblivion.

JOHN EDWARDS

Quite simply, this Iowa debate (and Iowa itself) is his first and last chance. He has placed all his money and bets for years on Iowa, where he is practically a local at this point. He absolutely HAS to win to get the media attention he needs to leverage his effort here into national momentum. He has the best, most cogent and inspiring stump speech, and a good, loyal organization. He could get pummeled by media dynamics. There will be exit polls on caucus night, but they will not be an accurate reflection of the final tallies of caucus delegates "the legally meaningful number" until later. Also, he is strongest in the small western towns, whose disproportionate influence in the delegate tallies (don?t ask) won't show up in the exits. In other words, he could win but not get credit for it by the time the winners are declared.

MIKE HUCKABEE

He can expect to be under fire from all sides, and his goal has to be to keep smiling and talking and explaining in a genial way. The man has a temper and not the thickest of skins, but he is also a brilliant rhetorical tactician and a stone-cold survivor of some of the roughest local politics in the nation, in Arkansas. As a preacher and then as a novice politician, he said and stood for some controversial things that come awfully close to sounding like he wanted to use public office to bring the nation to Christ. Ironically, it?s Mitt Romney who has had to defend his faith, but it's Huckabee an ordained minister who has the real explaining to do. But his competitors probably won't press that case too dangerous. Instead, they will focus on immigration, taxes and other less freighted issues. If Huck wins Iowa, he heads straight for South Carolina the real deal for the GOP and he will be hard to stop there.

MITT ROMNEY

The bad news for Romney is that he is getting blown out in Iowa, where he spent too much time and money. He and Rudy have to hope that the ol? prosecutor himself, Fred Thompson, is willing to step up and try to take down Huckabee. Romney?s hopes now rest not in Iowa, but in New Hampshire, where he would have to make his stand. Huckabee is the revenge of history on the GOP. Party strategists built the base on evangelicals in the South. Now they will have to live with the results.

RUDY GIULIANI

He clearly loves Judith Nathan, which is a good thing, because that love might cost him the nomination. The ?Tryst Fund? stories came at the worst possible time, and were particularly damaging because they involved the use of police resources by the law-and-order guy. He barely survived a grilling that Tim Russert gave him on "Meet the Press." Also, terrorism has faded as an issue. The top one now is the economy, which, on the GOP side, is translated into fears about immigration. Rudy is not, shall we say, well positioned on that issue.

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Re: MSNBC: "Hillary's campaign is teetering on the brink"
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2007, 03:59:42 PM »
RD Must have missed my Era of inevelibility thread       ;)
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Re: MSNBC: "Hillary's campaign is teetering on the brink"
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2007, 04:44:13 PM »
The Democrats have at least six candidates who would make competent and electable presidential candidatess: Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Biden, Dodd and Richardson. Kucinich has more guts than all the rest combined, but he is too short and doomed by his name.

Each of the Republican candidates has at least one major flaw. Huckabee is a preacherman, Romney is a Mormon, Giulani is a thrice divorced warmonger, Paul is unelectable, Tancredo can only play his one--note solo, Keyes is as out to lunch as ever.

 
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Re: MSNBC: "Hillary's campaign is teetering on the brink"
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2007, 04:49:19 PM »
The Democrats have at least six candidates who would make competent and electable presidential candidatess: Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Biden, Dodd and Richardson. Kucinich has more guts than all the rest combined, but he is too short and doomed by his name.  Each of the Republican candidates has at least one major flaw.
 

Actually, each of the Democrats have the same exact major flaw....all are hard core liberals.  They just vary a tad on how far left they are
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Re: MSNBC: "Hillary's campaign is teetering on the brink"
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2007, 04:55:16 PM »
no sirs
dont you know
in xo's warped thinking
democrats no flaws
republicans flawed
he is as biased as they come


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Re: MSNBC: "Hillary's campaign is teetering on the brink"
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2007, 04:58:35 PM »
Hillary's biggest asset is Bill.

How much, is her showing in the election, a referendum on how much Bill is well remembered?

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Re: MSNBC: "Hillary's campaign is teetering on the brink"
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2007, 05:00:55 PM »
Liberals did not get the country stuck in Iraq.
Liberals did not refuse to do one goddamned thing to make the country energy independent in seven years.
Liberals did not bury the country in debt with Borrow and Squander policies.
Liberals did not plunge the nation in debt to the Communist Chinese
Liberals do not encarcerate people for years with neither an accusation or a trial.
Liberals still believe in habeas Corpus.
Liberals were not asleep at the switch when 9-11 happened.
Liberals do not make all their dirty little secrets classified.
Liberals did not cause Abu Ghraib.
Liberals do not scurry and hide in undisclosed locations.


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Re: MSNBC: "Hillary's campaign is teetering on the brink"
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2007, 05:14:09 PM »
>>The Democrats have at least six candidates who would make competent and electable presidential candidatess: Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Biden, Dodd and Richardson. Kucinich has more guts than all the rest combined, but he is too short and doomed by his name.<<

I love a good laugh.

Let's see, Hillary is a lying reprobate who nobody would have even heard of if she hadn't somehow managed to marry the serial woman abuser and possibly rapist Bill Clinton. She has no experience in anything other than harassing Bill's conquests with the IRS and union goons. Obama is an empty suit with a grand total of two years in the Senate.  Con Edwards, the reptilian one, is a slimy politician who'll say anything to anyone. Biden is the only one amoung these little comrades with nay experience but he's a known plagiarist and back stabbing con man who'll never get enough support from even his own party to run a successful campaign. Dodd is a foaming at the mouth liberal who's simply to stupid to be taken seriously. Kucinich is a nut. And Richardson looks like that guy from SNL.




To put it  in a nutshell, these democrats are all slimy politicians without a principled bone in their bodies. They'd sell their country for a vote. No lie is to big. God help us if they ever become president.
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Re: MSNBC: "Hillary's campaign is teetering on the brink"
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2007, 05:17:28 PM »
Liberals did not refuse to do one goddamned thing to make the country energy independent in seven years.



Are you ready to defend this one?

During the eight years of Clinton co-presidency , how much more energy independance was acheived than during the seven of Bush 43?

It looks to me as if Liberals cannot boast that they did anything to produce improved energy independance , rather they have to explain away their long runing opposition to Atomic power.

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Re: MSNBC: "Hillary's campaign is teetering on the brink"
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2007, 09:54:41 PM »
>>The Democrats have at least six candidates who would make competent and electable presidential candidatess: Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Biden, Dodd and Richardson. Kucinich has more guts than all the rest combined, but he is too short and doomed by his name.<<

I love a good laugh.

Let's see, Hillary is a lying reprobate who nobody would have even heard of if she hadn't somehow managed to marry the serial woman abuser and possibly rapist Bill Clinton. She has no experience in anything other than harassing Bill's conquests with the IRS and union goons. Obama is an empty suit with a grand total of two years in the Senate.  Con Edwards, the reptilian one, is a slimy politician who'll say anything to anyone. Biden is the only one amoung these little comrades with nay experience but he's a known plagiarist and back stabbing con man who'll never get enough support from even his own party to run a successful campaign. Dodd is a foaming at the mouth liberal who's simply to stupid to be taken seriously. Kucinich is a nut. And Richardson looks like that guy from SNL.




To put it  in a nutshell, these democrats are all slimy politicians without a principled bone in their bodies. They'd sell their country for a vote. No lie is to big. God help us if they ever become president.


Actually, for most Democrats in office, they operate in pretense of actually belonging to a party. 

Without labor, without middle class, there is no Democratic Party.   Without labor, they are reduced to being subject to the bottom line like everybody else, which I believe has become America's true religion.   That is why religions are now so involved in politics.  That is why elected Democrats continue to defy the people who put them there, and continue to pretend to attack but in reality support most of what they were elected to change.

They are holding up a dead corpse, and maintain the illusion of a two party system, but in truth, there is but one now.

Kucinich and Edwards would bring change.   That is why they are targets for dismissive sarcasm from the media pundits.  Perhaps you noticed Tim Russert daggering Kucinich with the UFO knife?  I wonder, is Tim still socializing with Cheney?  Are they still neighbors across the alley? 

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Re: MSNBC: "Hillary's campaign is teetering on the brink"
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2007, 10:30:35 PM »
If Hillary loses in Iowa and Huckabee wins i think a third party ticket has a very good chance of influencing the election.