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Re: Uh oh....NOT good. Bhutto Assasinated
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2007, 02:16:47 PM »
This is truly a disturbing development. Let us stop to mourn the passing of this brave and concerned leader. My thoughts turn to Sharif. Can he fill the vacuum? Is his constituency anything comparable to hers?

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Re: Uh oh....NOT good. Bhutto Assasinated
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2007, 02:28:24 PM »
U.S. Checking al Qaeda Claim of Killing Bhutto

December 27, 2007 11:47 AM

Brian Ross, Richard Esposito & R. Schwartz Report:

Uscheckingal_mn While al Qaeda is considered by the U.S. to be a likely suspect in the assassination of former Pakistani Prime Minister Banazir Bhutto, U.S. intelligence officials say they cannot confirm an initial claim of responsibility for the attack, supposedly from an al Qaeda leader in Afghanistan.   

An obscure Italian Web site said Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, al Qaeda's commander in Afghanistan, told its reporter in a phone call, "We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat [the] mujahedeen."

It said the decision to assassinate Bhutto was made by al Qaeda's No. 2 leader, Ayman al Zawahri in October. Before joining Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, Zawahri was imprisoned in Egypt for his role in the assassination of then-Egyptian President Anwar Sadat.
   
Bhutto had been outspoken in her opposition to al Qaeda and had criticized the government of President Pervez Musharraf for failing to take strong action against the Islamic terrorists.

"She openly threatened al Qaeda, and she had American support," said ABC News consultant Richard Clarke, the former White House counterterrorism adviser. "If al Qaeda could try to kill Musharraf twice, it could easily do this," he said.

Al Qaeda had claimed responsibility for the bomb attack Oct. 18 during Bhutto's homecoming rally that killed 140 people but left the former prime minister uninjured.

Senior U.S. officials say it will take several days to sort out who was responsible and that it will be "a test of credibility for the Pakistani government."

U.S. officials monitoring Internet chat rooms known to be used by Islamic militants say several claims of responsibility have been posted, although such postings are notoriously unreliable.


http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/12/us-checking-al.html

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Re: Uh oh....NOT good. Bhutto Assasinated
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2007, 02:33:18 PM »
This is truly a disturbing development. Let us stop to mourn the passing of this brave and concerned leader. My thoughts turn to Sharif. Can he fill the vacuum? Is his constituency anything comparable to hers?

Sharif has stated that he is boycotting the January elections.

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Re: Uh oh....NOT good. Bhutto Assasinated
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2007, 02:36:25 PM »
I had forgotten that, Henny, thanks. But as to the general question of a viable opposition, can Sharif fill the bill?

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Bhutto Obituary
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2007, 02:39:32 PM »
Benazir Bhutto followed her father into politics, and both of them died because of it - he was executed in 1979, she fell victim to an apparent suicide bomb attack.
Her two brothers also suffered violent deaths.

Like the Nehru-Gandhi family in India, the Bhuttos of Pakistan are one of the world's most famous political dynasties. Benazir's father, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, was prime minister of Pakistan in the early 1970s.

His government was one of the few in the 30 years following independence that was not run by the army.

Born in 1953 in the province of Sindh and educated at Harvard and Oxford, Ms Bhutto gained credibility from her father's high profile, even though she was a reluctant convert to politics.

She was twice prime minister of Pakistan, from 1988 to 1990, and from 1993 to 1996.

Stubbornness

On both occasions she was dismissed from office by the president for alleged corruption.

The dismissals typified her volatile political career, which was characterised by numerous peaks and troughs. At the height of her popularity - shortly after her first election - she was one of the most high-profile women leaders in the world.

Young and glamorous, she successfully portrayed herself as a refreshing contrast to the overwhelmingly male-dominated political establishment.

But after her second fall from power, her name came to be seen by some as synonymous with corruption and bad governance.


The determination and stubbornness for which Ms Bhutto was renowned was first seen after her father was imprisoned and charged with murder by Gen Zia ul-Haq in 1977, following a military coup. Two years later he was executed.

Ms Bhutto was imprisoned just before her father's death and spent most of her five-year jail term in solitary confinement. She described the conditions as extremely hard.

During stints out of prison for medical treatment, Ms Bhutto set up a Pakistan People's Party office in London, and began a campaign against General Zia.

She returned to Pakistan in 1986, attracting huge crowds to political rallies.

After Gen Zia died in an explosion on board his aircraft in 1988, she became one of the first democratically elected female prime ministers in an Islamic country.

Corruption charges

During both her stints in power, the role of Ms Bhutto's husband, Asif Zardari, proved highly controversial.

He played a prominent role in both her administrations, and has been accused by various Pakistani governments of stealing millions of dollars from state coffers - charges he denies, as did Ms Bhutto herself.

Many commentators argued that the downfall of Ms Bhutto's government was accelerated by the alleged greed of her husband.

None of about 18 corruption and criminal cases against Mr Zardari has been proved in court after 10 years. But he served at least eight years in jail.

He was freed on bail in 2004, amid accusations that the charges against him were weak and going nowhere.

Ms Bhutto also steadfastly denied all the corruption charges against her, which she said were politically motivated.

She faced corruption charges in at least five cases, all without a conviction, until amnestied in October 2007.


She was convicted in 1999 for failing to appear in court, but the Supreme Court later overturned that judgement.

Soon after the conviction, audiotapes of conversations between the judge and some top aides of then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif were discovered that showed that the judge had been under pressure to convict.


Ms Bhutto left Pakistan in 1999 to live abroad, but questions about her and her husband's wealth continued to dog her.

She appealed against a conviction in the Swiss courts for money-laundering.

During her years outside Pakistan, Ms Bhutto lived with her three children in Dubai, where she was joined by her husband after he was freed in 2004.

She was a regular visitor to Western capitals, delivering lectures at universities and think-tanks and meeting government officials.



Army mistrust

Ms Bhutto returned to Pakistan on 18 October 2007 after President Musharraf signed into law an ordinance granting her and others an amnesty from corruption charges.

Observers said the military regime saw her as a natural ally in its efforts to isolate religious forces and their surrogate militants.

She declined a government offer to let her party head the national government after the 2002 elections, in which the party received the largest number of votes.

In the months before her death, she had emerged again as a strong contender for power.

Some in Pakistan believe her secret talks with the military regime amounted to betrayal of democratic forces as these talks shored up President Musharraf's grip on the country.

Others said such talks indicated that the military might at long last be getting over its decades-old mistrust of Ms Bhutto and her party, and interpreted it as a good omen for democracy.

Western powers saw in her a popular leader with liberal leanings who could bring much needed legitimacy to Mr Musharraf's role in the "war against terror".

Unhappy family

Benazir Bhutto was the last remaining bearer of her late father's political legacy.

Her brother, Murtaza - who was once expected to play the role of party leader - fled to the then-communist Afghanistan after his father's fall.

From there, and various Middle Eastern capitals, he mounted a campaign against Pakistan's military government with a militant group called al-Zulfikar.

He won elections from exile in 1993 and became a provincial legislator, returning home soon afterwards, only to be shot dead under mysterious circumstances in 1996.

Benazir's other brother, Shahnawaz - also politically active but in less violent ways than Murtaza - was found dead in his French Riviera apartment in 1985.



Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/2228796.stm

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Re: Uh oh....NOT good. Bhutto Assasinated
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2007, 02:43:06 PM »
Was it that I heard that Bhutto's support was largely due to the legacy of the Bhutto name?  That the opposition party's support was largely due to her father & family?  And now that she's been tragically taken out of the picture, there really is no one to fill that void, be it family or next-in-line in the Party?
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Re: Uh oh....NOT good. Bhutto Assasinated
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2007, 02:45:46 PM »
I had forgotten that, Henny, thanks. But as to the general question of a viable opposition, can Sharif fill the bill?

Domer, I'm not sure. I never followed his political career with as much interest as I did Bhutto's, but I understand that he had a great deal of popular support in elections - so much that the authenticity of the elections were questioned.

I am seeing headlines now that he is vowing to "fight Bhutto's war" against radicals. Perhaps he will ride in on the coat tails.

At any rate, it certainly would be nice to see an elected leader of Pakistan rather than ones who take power in an overthrow.

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Re: Uh oh....NOT good. Bhutto Assasinated
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2007, 02:55:50 PM »
Thursday, December 27, 2007
Bhutto assassination could hurt US in Pakistan
--Nic Robertson, CNN Senior International Correspondent

Today's assassination of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto is a blow for democracy in Pakistan and seems likely to cement the military's grip on power for the near future.

It will likely raise very serious concerns for the Bush administration that had been working behind the scenes since last summer to encourage Benazir Bhutto to end her exile, return to Pakistan, and seek political compromise with President Musharaff.

With Bhutto now dead, and Musharaff having shocked and disappointed US diplomats and State Department officials with his recent state of emergency, it seems the US has few reliable partners left.

The immediate future for Pakistanis seems undoubtedly one of high uncertainty with suspicion for Bhutto's death variously falling on President Musharaff, the country's intelligence services, and radical Islamists.

Any hope of having free and fair parliamentary elections, as scheduled for next month, appear to have been crushed.
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Re: Uh oh....NOT good. Bhutto Assasinated
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2007, 04:03:39 PM »
Sharif was not exactly a bastion of democracy when he was Prime Minister. He took Pakistan into a costly war with India, one which had no international support and was quickly lost. He removed the no-confidence vote from Parliament and if you know about Westminster-style political systems, that is a huge part of their checks and balances. He also initiated a ridiculous party whip amendment that passed and basically subjected MP's of political parties to vote as their leaders decreed.

Two thoughts.

1. Yes Lanya, Musharraf benefits. If he did it or if the religious fringe did it, he reaps the reward either way. Confusion, panic, and fear are the political tools of all military regimes.

2. Sirs,  of course the United States' actions play a role in this event and in Pakistan in general. Saying this is not "bashing Bush" it is acknowledging the reality that this nation's actions don't take place in a vacuum. Bush and Blair pressured Musharraf to go into Waziristan and get his ass kicked. We went into Afghanistan and sent thousands of religious nutters fleeing into Pakistan. Actions have consequences, whether you're willing to admit to them or not has no relation to their existence in reality.
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Re: Uh oh....NOT good. Bhutto Assasinated
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2007, 04:20:50 PM »
JS, I'm awed by your encyclopedic knowledge. Do you carry these facts around in your head or research as the occasion warrants?

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Re: Uh oh....NOT good. Bhutto Assasinated
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2007, 04:23:05 PM »
Sirs,  of course the United States' actions play a role in this event and in Pakistan in general. Saying this is not "bashing Bush" it is acknowledging the reality that this nation's actions don't take place in a vacuum.

Did i ever imply otherwise??  My comments and reference are specific to those who would literally "blame Bush" for this tragedy.  Kinda thought that was transparently clear.  Apparently not    ::)

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Re: Uh oh....NOT good. Bhutto Assasinated
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2007, 04:37:34 PM »
OH Henny.... My thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family.


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Re: Uh oh....NOT good. Bhutto Assasinated
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2007, 04:44:16 PM »
Let's count the minutes, before those inflicted with BDS, start to imply that this is Bush's fault     :-\

I didn't even get a chance to count the minutes till you turned it into a poltical discussion.

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« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2007, 04:52:03 PM »
Let's count the minutes, before those inflicted with BDS, start to imply that this is Bush's fault     :-\

I didn't even get a chance to count the minutes till you turned it into a poltical discussion.

How is this NOT a political issue??  The political ramifications are ENORMOUS, for not just the Middle East, but globally, as demonstrated in a majority of the posts already presented.  Did I steal your thunder?  Were you salivating at the idea of proposing how Bush was secretly in contact with Musharaff, and likely helped to organize this tragic event??      ::)
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