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Re: New Poll
« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2007, 08:52:18 PM »
Rich left or may  leave all on his own.




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Re: New Poll
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2007, 08:59:41 PM »
I am sorry, but you are incorrect, BT.

Rich left, or may leave,  due to the actions taken here -- this poll. Therefore, cause and effect.
Boofuckenhoo. What a sensitive soul this richpo must be- LMFAO!

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Re: New Poll
« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2007, 10:35:32 PM »
I find the intense condescending attitude of JS to be EXTREMELY grating...since JS made the unilateral decision to not post all posts. Sic Semper Tyrannis!

Damn...what did I do?  :P
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Re: New Poll
« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2007, 11:17:06 PM »
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Damn...what did I do?

You did the job of a moderator, you moderated.

Now the members get to share the experience and burden of deciding the fate of a peer, something we have had to do lo these many years.



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Re: New Poll
« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2007, 11:53:18 PM »
And frankly, BT.....I have to say the groups choice to escort one out of the saloon has, for the most part been a good one....heat can't stay cool for long....it only escalates into a blood bath..as we have all seen in the past.

RichPo took breath away from some with such remarks. He sure did. I hadn't known about the remark about a child...Henny's boy...that would have set me off for certain.

All in all....there were folks who gave him a good college try in the past day here.....and he thumbed his nose at us. Takes a brave soul to realize when "we done wrong".....bruised egos are testy little articles, but Richpo really made his bed and if he choses to leave...perhaps he will return with an Imus sentiment of sense and sensibility...

No matter....presently, he went over the top and if allowed to stay, that sort of "gad goy" behavior would revivify the old badly toiled days here.

I thought the "dude" would say sorry and move on.....guess not.

But, I do feel for him...as I have had to bite the dust and scoot outta town.....but it was for a good reason. I was not being very "nice".

Tempers flair and dare to create ugliness in here...nature of the beast?

Frankly, this board has really cleaned up nice! I love to post here. I still enjoy the read....and I find myself learning more each time I return.

Cynthia
« Last Edit: December 29, 2007, 11:55:29 PM by Cynthia »

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Re: New Poll
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2007, 01:20:32 AM »
We essentially kicked out a contributing member, even if some of us didn't like his methodology, he still presented a viewpoint.

His comments to Terra were, well insensitive, but I have been called a lot of crap here as well over the time I have been involved. I usually end up retreating for a while and then coming back later. After all, not ALL of his posts were, well, over the top.

Do I need to go back and locate ones that were not over the top?

Bull.

Rich made his own choice. He was a pro at "dishing it out," and this time he got a bit of that back.

Rich took his toys and went home. Simple as that.

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Re: New Poll
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2007, 01:24:00 AM »
RichPo took breath away from some with such remarks.

And Rich will be back.

It's a pattern. He will come back, be civil and decent for a while, and then regress into name calling and nastiness. Wash, rinse, repeat.


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Re: New Poll
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2007, 02:31:06 AM »
I am sorry, but you are incorrect, BT.

Rich left, or may leave,  due to the actions taken here -- this poll. Therefore, cause and effect.
Boofuckenhoo. What a sensitive soul this richpo must be- LMFAO!

Knute -- your insensitivity brands you an ass - a legitimaite ASS! If you father with this level of insensitivity, I feel for your offspring -- same applies to your wife. Try at least, a little, to care, huh?

I have no offspring because the little boogers like to rebel, they would have been as big fascist as Richpoo I am afraid, and I wouldnt want to bring any o\more of that nasty bullshit into the world. My wife is treated like a queaen and not beaten and traded around like you RW freaks like to do.

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Re: New Poll
« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2007, 07:58:22 AM »
I am sorry, but you are incorrect, BT.

Rich left, or may leave,  due to the actions taken here -- this poll. Therefore, cause and effect.

Terra apparently left because of Rich's comments, so I would call that a quid pro quo; however, the fact is both of them left of their own free will.   If Rich left because he felt singled out (or just insulted) his behavior was the cause of the attention.  Terra, IMO, did not deserve the filthy level of the insults Rich threw at her.  I have no problem with him (or anyone) calling someone names which might be relevent to the debate (e.g. hypocrite, wing nut, commie, fascist, whatever) though I don't consider them to be particularly rational.  But Rich's comments were not just inflammatory, they were abusive.  I think we do need voices such as his here, but that when someone reaches this level of intensity, it's time for at least a break.  I do not know if this poll was intended to be binding, to make a point about the difficulty of making such decisions, or just to give Rich (and perhaps others of us) a wake-up call about minimum levels of civil behavior.   At any level, it seems to have had an effect.
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Re: New Poll
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2007, 10:40:59 AM »
<<I consider calling my family "Nazi sympathizers" - several times - to be over the line.>>

As I remember the thread, you were the one who brought your family into the discussion in the first place, and I called it the way I saw it, based on:
1.  Popularity of the Nazis in Austria
2.  Lack of any resistance to the Nazis by the Austrians, particularly in view of their "occupation" by Germany "against their will"
3.  Participation of many Austrians, from Adolf Hitler on down, in the Nazi movement (for a small - - 34 pages - - list of prominent Austrian Nazis, including some of the worst war criminals and concentration camp guards, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Austrian_Nazis)
4.  Filmed documentation of public persecution of Jews in Vienna by large and enthusiastic crowds of Austrian citizens, including forcing the Jews to crawl on their hands and knees in public, eating the grass like animals and "cleaning" the sidewalks with toothbrushes
5.  The bullshit charges that your father's elementary school was "bombed" in broad daylight by "British" aircraft -- typical Nazi defences of "victimization" and "suffering" to distract from their own crimes and atrocities
6.  The general absence of any repercussions following from your family's alleged "anti-Nazi" sympathies.
7.  The anti-Soviet and then anti-British commentary, followed by an unsupported general declaration of "anti-Nazi" sympathies only after the Nazi-like nature of the family animosities was pointed out to you.

None of this adds up to proof positive.  Life rarely gives us the opportunity to make such proof without the aid of a prosecutorial team of investigators, researchers, etc.  But it's a common pattern, which I easily recognized and pointed out in response to your own initial use of your family's "evidence" in smearing our former Soviet allies.

I believe what I said was that the odds were overwhelming that your family - - whose anti-Soviet opinion you had provided as "evidence" of how "bad" the Russians really were (another hallmark, BTW, of Nazi propaganda) - - were in fact Nazi sympathizers,  spouting the usual Nazi line about the "atrocities" of the Red Army.  Note that I did not include YOU in the characterization.  Still don't.  But in the context of the discussion we were engaged in at the time, the comments were all legitimate.  They didn't even come close to the line.


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Re: New Poll
« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2007, 11:31:52 AM »

I calls 'em like I sees 'em. You called my family Nazi sympathizers, even after proof was provided that several of your "points" were incorrect. You even even said that you would believe if I told you that they were not, which I did, then you continued to say that they were Nazi sympathizers. That was over the line in my opinion.

I guess in your clean and clear world, no one can be against the Nazis and also not like the actions of the Soviets or the British? You have to love the Soviets in order to hate the Nazis?
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Re: New Poll
« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2007, 11:42:44 AM »
<<You even even said that you would believe if I told you that they were not, which I did . . . >>

I honestly don't recall putting it like that.  It would be a stupid thing to say, since you could be honestly mistaken by what they told you, but if I said it, I'll stick to it.

You never proved any of my points were incorrect, I think once you corrected me when I said the RAF never conducted daylight raids, but the exceptions were (1) at the very start of the war, for a short period of time, when the bombers' range probably wouldn't have included Austria anyway and (2) towards the end of the war.  I further produced the web-site of all RAF bomber ops and couldn't find any daylight raids on Austria.  Other than that one minor and inconsequential error, I don't believe you proved any of my points incorrect.


<<I guess in your clean and clear world, no one can be against the Nazis and also not like the actions of the Soviets or the British? You have to love the Soviets in order to hate the Nazis?>>

In my clean and clear world, the British are the good guys and thank God for them.  They are the only combatants who remained on their feet after the Fall of France and refused to give in to Hitler.  I'm alive today because of them.  Same for the Red Army, who killed millions of Nazi bastards and are more responsible than any other Allied country for the defeat of Hitler.  AND did not "forgive and forget" after the war, but were the only Ally that made sure the Nazi bastards and their collaborators actually paid for their crimes.

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Re: New Poll
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2007, 01:28:51 PM »
all right all right.....let it go~

New Poll please! Bt!!

Why make a new bitch poll out of this voting booth?

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Re: New Poll
« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2007, 03:07:34 PM »
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Re: New Poll
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2007, 09:21:25 PM »
If Rich leaves voluntarily while we are considering whether or not to take any action, then he has stolen the initiative and taken the responsibility.


Does this get us off the hook?

We still need to decide whether or not we need a firm policy or a lax one , on the amount of insult and invective we must tolerate.

Whether or not we believe in redemption and second chances.

Whether or not our forum serves our membership or frustrates us.

Most of you know I have always lobbied for lax rules and attempted to encourage self controll rather than imposed contoll.

Can my idea be achieved?

The stakes here are low , if we loose this forum we will all find other places to post our opinions , or just quit wasting time like this.

If we can't solve such problems here where the stakes are so low , what is the hope for us in the real world where such problems are common and the stakes are often high?

The value of simple civility is plain here and now , nothing more is required for our little community to prosper , nothing less is adequate on any scale up to the whole world..